Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sting (percussion) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 20:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sting (percussion)[edit]

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As a percussion-specific concept, it doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG - lacks in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Perhaps merging into Sting (musical phrase) is a good WP:ATD here? MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:35, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and clarify. A sting has multiple meanings within music, including as the dramatic sound effect [1], the bumper at the end of a march [2], and the subject of this particular article. However, this term is more popularly known as a "rimshot". Unfortunately in the percussive world, a rimshot is another, separate technique that involves hitting the drumhead and rim simultaneously for a loud pop. Thus, naming the article "Rimshot (percussion)" would be equally confusing. Therefore, I propose this article be renamed to "Rimshot (comedy)" as it is famous in pop culture for its comedic effect. (Who hasn't heard "ba dum tss" after a bad joke?) Similarly, looking up those terms together (rimshot and comedy or even vaudeville) pulls up some hopefully helpful results. Why? I Ask (talk) 02:00, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or propose a merge as suggested by nom. The article is already more than a dicdef and is well referenced. Perhaps nom could tell us exactly which reliable sources they consulted to determine that it lacks in-depth coverage? The article certainly needs expansion but I doubt even a merge is appropriate. I have added one new source. Andrewa (talk) 02:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt that it's certainly notable, but I do feel that more sources are required. Furthermore, I am opposed to a merge and would rather have it renamed. Why? I Ask (talk) 02:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But I note that you have removed the source I added, with a rather strange edit summary IMO. Discuss that at Talk:Sting (percussion)#Why was this reference removed. Andrewa (talk) 18:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge stub, barely sourced, and weak at that. Acous mana 12:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Keep In its present state, the article lacks robust referencing, but sources that discuss or mention relevant information about comedic stings/rimshots are out there. For one, the book Kick It: A Social History of the Drum Kit [3] talks some about the history of drums as emphasis/punctuation in comedy, specifically its vaudeville history. Merging seems the best solution given the stubbiness of both this article and Sting (musical phrase). From my non-music background perspective, these seem sufficiently overlapping semantically and in practice––also note that both this article and Rimshot have "More general use of the term" sections referencing the broadcast/film sting and the comedic sting respectively. There'd be a need for better disambiguation if the articles are to remain separate. Comm.unity (talk) 23:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Keep or any other outcome that doesn't delete useful content. There's definitely not so much wrong with this page a deletion is merited. CapnZapp (talk) 22:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I consider this encyclopedic content. Lightburst (talk) 02:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.