Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Vidler (judoka)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Dusti^SPEAK!! 00:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Dusti has just given this a non-admin closure. Technically, that's only supposed to happen for 'Unanimous or nearly unanimous' keep/merge/redirect results. Also, his closure came 24 hours short of the scheduled ending time. Since the debate seems to have pretty much settled down (only one comment in the last almost-four days) I'm going to leave this closed and endorse the 'no consensus' outcome. If anyone objects and would like to see the discussion reopened before midnight tonight, feel free to let me know or do so yourself. Olaf Davis (talk) 00:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Vidler (judoka)

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No evidence of notability, raw BLP stub with no hope of expansion. *** Crotalus *** 20:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question to other editors: is participating (and winning bronze) in the 2002 Commonwealth Games enough to pass WP:Athlete? If so, we have a speedy keep here. Drmies (talk) 21:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would say that his bronze in the Commonwealth Games is not sufficient. Ryuichi Murata is currently being discussed at AFD and I would say his international resume is superior. I'm aware of WP:OTHER, but I'm just pointing out that one can see other editor's opinions on a similar case. Papaursa (talk) 02:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, but I just have trouble seeing how you keep someone with a single 7th place finish at a World Cup event and delete someone with 4 podium finishes (including 2 victories) in World Cup events. Papaursa (talk) 12:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The question is: who are "we"? Geschichte (talk) 13:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't intended at anyone in particular. It was more of a rhetorical question/observation. Papaursa (talk) 21:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Competing alone wouldn't have done it but Medaling, @ a commonwealth games seems good enough for me esp with decent sourcing (2 from local paper, 1 national). --Nate ^t/_c 09:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I don't see how any of the three deletion rationales apply. "No evidence"? I don't agree. I created the page because he has placed highly in the European Championships, among others. "Raw BLP stub"? Stubs are allowed, there is no BLP problem here and I don't see the relevance of "raw". "No hope of expansion"? Surely wrong, look at everything he has participated in. Geschichte (talk) 09:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as an athlete competing at the top level of his sport. -- Whpq (talk) 16:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, WP:ATH says the Olympics or World Championships are the top level for amateurs and I saw no evidence he'd competed there. Papaursa (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The actual wording is "People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships." with emphasis added. It is a rather restrictive interpretation especially given the criteria for professional athletes. Anybody playing in the NFL is a professional football player and is deemed notable. They are playing at the top level of their sport with no requirement that they have played in the SuperBowl. For an amateur sport, the World Cup is the highest level of the sport with the World Championship being a single event pinnacle. In the case of Judo, the World Championships happen once every two years. -- Whpq (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it's far more restrictive than the professional requirements (which I think are too easy to meet). You're implying that this case is not "usual". The World Cup events rank below the Olympics, World Championships, continental championships, and perhaps a few other individual events. You'll notice I haven't voted in the discussion. Frankly, in the interests of consistency, I'm waiting to see what happens to the aforementioned Murata AFD. Actually, given the support already shown, my vote might well be irrelevant (which is fine). I find it interesting to see the differing views on 2 judoka (although Murata also has an MMA record) who happen to be up for deletion at the same time. Papaursa (talk) 22:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One interesting thing is that Vidler has placed highly at his continental championships whereas Murata has not. Geschichte (talk) 22:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Close but no cigar. The Commonwealth Games, while admirable, aren't the highest level. Really a step or two below. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - medaling at the Commonwealth Games indicates a clear, objective standard of notability. matt91486 (talk) 18:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.