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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Terreberry[edit]

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WP:BLP of a musician and YouTuber, not reliably sourced well enough to override the prior deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Terreberry. Nothing here constitutes an "inherent" claim of notability that would guarantee instant passage of our notability criteria for musicians or YouTubers, so it all comes down to the quality of his sources -- but this is about 75 per cent reference bombed to his own YouTube videos and/or his music metaverifying its own existence on Spotify, which are not notability-building sources. And what's left after that is a mix of unreliable blogs, a tiny WP:BLP1E blip in the context of being invited to tour with a band but backing out due to anxiety and thus not fulfilling NMUSIC's touring criterion, and glancing namechecks of his existence in coverage of other people, which does not help to establish his notability as he is not the subject of those sources. Nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be the subject of a lot more coverage in real media than has been shown here. Bearcat (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also Blabbermouth.net[23] and Exclaim![24] (both reliable per WP:RSMUSIC, though these are both DragonForce related). All of these references span 7 years of coverage, so I'd argue against WP:BLP1E as well. Mbdfar (talk)
A few more for fun. New Atlas[25] (previously Gizmag.com; no consensus on reliability, at least was found to have an editorial board), Gear Gods[26][27][28] (can't find any discussion on reliability, though it is a sister site of MetalSucks). Here's a couple more Ultimate Guitar articles by a staff writer.[29][30] Mbdfar (talk) 02:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "If Deathcore Sounded Happy!". MetalSucks. 2014-12-11.
  2. ^ "Dragonforce and Bassist Frédéric Leclercq Part Ways, YouTuber Stevie T. to Fill In". MetalSucks. 2019-08-14.
  3. ^ "Seven YouTube Guitarists Worth Following". MetalSucks. 2020-06-03.
  4. ^ "This Djent Cover of Super Mario Bros. is a Lot Less Cringe-Worthy Than You'd Think". MetalSucks. 2014-05-30.
  5. ^ March 2019, Michael Astley-Brown18. "Forget 18 strings - here's a 20-string electric guitar". MusicRadar.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  6. ^ December 2018, MusicRadar Team03. "The 12 best online guitar personalities in the world right now". MusicRadar.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  7. ^ Pasbani, Robert (2014-11-13). "Artery Recordings Signs Its First "Metal Comedian," Youtube Viral Sensation Stevie T". Metal Injection.
  8. ^ October 7, Graham HartmannPublished. "YouTuber Stevie T Pulls Out of DragonForce Tour After Crippling Anxiety". Loudwire.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  9. ^ May 7, Graham HartmannPublished:. "Stevie T's YouTube Channel Got Hacked + Deleted". Loudwire.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  10. ^ January 15, Chad ChildersPublished. "Watch YouTube Star Stevie T Add a Dragonforce Touch to Classics". Loudwire.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  11. ^ "Stevie T Opens Up on Depression & Anxiety, Reacts to Online Haters". www.ultimate-guitar.com.
  12. ^ "Stevie T. Reacts to Being on UG's List of Most Hated Guitarists: 'I Gotta Say I'm Disappointed, Ultimate Guitar'". www.ultimate-guitar.com.
  13. ^ "Stevie T Opens Up on Why He Turned Down DragonForce Tour: 'Not My Proudest Moment'". www.ultimate-guitar.com.
  14. ^ "DragonForce Guitarist Names Favorite Van Halen Solo, Talks Why Stevie T. Turned Down to Be His Bassist". www.ultimate-guitar.com.
  15. ^ "Herman Li Invites Stevie T. to Join DragonForce as Triangle Player, Stevie Accepts the Challenge". www.ultimate-guitar.com.
  16. ^ July 2015, Damian Fanelli 14. "Stevie T Premieres "Djenstrumental" Playthrough Video — Exclusive". guitarworld.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  17. ^ December 2014, Damian Fanelli 15. "Djent Version of Super Mario Bros. Theme (and "If Deathcore Sounded Happy!") — Video". guitarworld.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  18. ^ June 2015, Guitar World Staff 25. "What If Deathcore Sounded "Happy"? — Video". guitarworld.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  19. ^ March 2017, Damian Fanelli 06. "How AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and More Would Sound with Kirk Hammett on Guitar". guitarworld.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  20. ^ "So here's what elevatorcore would sound like". Alternative Press. 2015-06-15.
  21. ^ Crane, Matt (2014-12-10). "What if deathcore sounded happy?". Alternative Press.
  22. ^ Crane, Matt (2014-05-30). "Here's a shredding metal cover of the 'Super Mario Bros.' theme song". Alternative Press.
  23. ^ "DRAGONFORCE Parts Ways With Longtime Bassist FRÉDÉRIC LECLERCQ; YouTube Personality STEVIE T To Step In". BLABBERMOUTH.NET. 2019-08-14.
  24. ^ "DragonForce's Newest Member Is a YouTuber | Exclaim!". exclaim.ca.
  25. ^ "Multiscale mayhem breaks out on Djentar 20 string guitar". New Atlas. 2019-03-20.
  26. ^ Stolzer-Gary, Isaac (2019-10-07). "FIND OF THE WEEK: JARED DINES And STEVIE T Are Selling Their 18- And 20-String Guitars For Charity". GearGods.
  27. ^ Xavier, Trey (2017-03-15). "STEVIE T Shreds Around The Globe With National Anthems Medley". GearGods.
  28. ^ Stolzer-Gary, Isaac (2017-08-28). "STEVIE T. Finds Out If You Can SHRED On a UKELELE". GearGods.
  29. ^ "Jared Dines: What Stevie T. Is Like Off Camera". www.ultimate-guitar.com.
  30. ^ "Watch: Here's Stevie T Playing a 20-String Guitar". www.ultimate-guitar.com.
Looks like a lot of WP:ROUTINE coverage. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if WP:ROUTINE applies per Wikipedia:What is and is not routine coverage. I guess the articles could be considered "light and amusing", but this is notability for coverage of a person and not a single event, so I'm not sure anything from Wikipedia:Notability (events) is applicable. Mbdfar (talk) 19:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is the case for the sources with an author, https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-12-best-online-guitar-personalities-in-the-world-right-now https://www.metalsucks.net/2020/06/03/seven-youtube-guitarists-worth-following/ https://www.guitarworld.com/news/what-if-deathcore-sounded-happy-video https://www.altpress.com/news/so_heres_what_elevatorcore_would_sound_like/ https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dragonforce-parts-ways-with-longtime-bassist-frederic-leclercq-temporary-replacement-announced/ have no author. The ones at ultimate-guitar.com (the ones with the most coverage) are essentially blogs by a nonprofessional writer. So the routine nature of the rest are "Steve T. released a new video. Check it out." Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are incorrect about Ultimate Guitar. Per RSMUSIC, "Only cite articles written by "UG Team" or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere." All articles I cited are by members of the UG writers team. There is a lot of coverage of the subject on that website, more than I have here. Almost all of the sources you handpicked say they were authored by staff of sites that have been found to be reliable, so I don't see the issue. If the subject was a WP:MILL YouTuber, they wouldn't be showcasing his releases. Mbdfar (talk) 20:03, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
jomatami is the author of all or the ultimate-guitar articles you've linked here. He is on the writers list. WP:RSMUSIC Thanks for that link. The writers link moved. We should update the source. Walter Görlitz

(talk) 23:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing that there is so much coverage, this would qualify under WP:BASIC even if the coverage in any one source are not in-depth. Peter303x (talk) 08:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 21:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as long the sources are not "here is his latest video" or anything of that nature. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 09:21, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The coverage here is pretty trivial, and it's not clear that the publications themselves are particularly reliable or notable. Some of the material is overly promotional, and it makes one wonder if the publications themselves are truly independent of the subject. All together, it lacks the depth of coverage that one would expect for an artist to pass WP:NMUSIC or WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 19:59, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your qualms about how in depth some of the articles are, but consensus at WP:RSMUSIC has found the publications I've outlined above to be reliable (I made it clear which ones have not yet been discussed). If you believe them to be biased, perhaps another discussion should be started. IMO, there is enough detailed sources in that pile to satisfy WP:SIGCOV. Mbdfar (talk) 22:19, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you stated so above and don't need to repeat yourself. I came to a different conclusion. Largely because you have cited industry magazines where reliability and independence are not always clear, and the articles themselves are more plugs to sell merchandise witch kickbacks to the magazine and the artist. These don't rise to the level of independence for a high quality sourcing that is necessary to establish WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you disagree with community consensus regarding these sources, perhaps you should start a discussion on the relevant WikiProject page. Mbdfar (talk) 02:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 22:16, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Seeing that there is so much coverage, this would qualify under WP:BASIC even if the coverage in any one source are not in-depth. Peter303x (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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