Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefano Rabolli Pansera

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. I'm not against giving this another gonif better sourcing comes up but the possibility of a technical SNG pass when the evidence is that the GNG is failed for what is a BLP. On that basis there is only one policy compliant outcome. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stefano Rabolli Pansera

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We've had ten years to improve this article and there has been no demonstration of notability. Some of it is BLP unsourced as of writing. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Architecture. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think this subject meets WP:ARTIST.4b as a creator and/or curator of multiple art exhibits that have received critical attention, including from academic journals.
1. SIGCOV in this Springer journal article [1] about contributions to a gallery
2. Some SIGCOV in Nature [2] about an exhibit the subject led.
3. Some SIGCOV in Frieze [3] about curating an exhibit
4. A mention in NYT crediting curating an art show, [4]
5. Mention in Vogue Italia [5]
6. SIGCOV in Whitewall Magazine [6] from someone who seems to be a staff writer

—siro χ o 06:36, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Everything except for source one fulfills SIGCOV, but it doesn't demonstrate to me that Pansera fulfills WP:CREATIVE point 1, "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors". Could you demonstrate to me better proof how he fulfills WP:CREATIVE, either point 1 or any other point? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm considering those references as evidence of CREATIVE point 4b or maybe 4c, rather than 1. —siro χ o 19:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect I'm personally not convinced that such coverage is significant enough – it does seem like the criteria (especially with how it is phrased) is more in tune for artists themselves instead of people who are mostly curators. Could you maybe consider showing me how he meets such criteria if I'm missing something, or if he would otherwise fulfill our GNG? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm focused on the SNG here. I probably should have left out the word "SIGCOV", because as long as we verify the SNG we don't need SIGCOV about the subject or GNG. I believe the sources provided do demonstrate 4b and/or 4c, especially the Nature and Place Branding and Public Diplomacy sources, which describe in-detph the creativity and importance of the exhibits themselves, and name them as created by / "brainchild" of the subject. —siro χ o —siro χ o 20:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am not finding any RS for the biographical information presented. The sources above are brief mentions of Pansera as curator. There is also a poorly sourced WP:PROMO for Beyond Entropy by the same SPA Huxley kilmister. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Being chosen to curate a pavillon a the Venice Biennale is a notable achievement, not to mention getting an award. Plus work of Stefano Rabolli Pansera is widely cited in Google Scholar. Co-curator Paula Nascimento is present in several wikis per the same achievement, so I think he should stay as well. Hermann Heilner Giebenrath (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:57, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article is now down to one notable event - co curating the Angola pavilion. Still no source for claim of date of birth and education. According to ArtNet PR, Pansera is now dealing in NFTs and "video art" with no real explanation of affiliation.^[1] The "Beyond Entropy" project seems have ceased to exist. I think the subject should be viewed as an entrepreneur rather than an artist or art administrator. I think the article for Paula Nascimento is deletable, rather than a reason to keep this non notable one. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Batycka, Dorian (12 September 2022). "A Former Director of Hauser & Wirth Has Big Dreams for Video Art. That's Why He Founded a Tiny Film Festival in Collector-Rich St. Moritz". Artnet News. Retrieved 10 August 2023.

We can add Beyond Entropy at Architectural Association School of Architecture to Stefano Rabolli Pansera based on the in-depth coverage in Nature [7] —siro χ o 22:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source "Nature" is a Transformative Journal; authors can publish using the traditional publishing route OR via immediate gold Open Access. In other words a press release for an exhibition at the Architectural Association School of Architecture in 2011. Not an RS. Significant coverage should be a true discussion of the work and the artist or curator, not just press releases or native advertising. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the leading scientific journals have the option to submit articles for publication. For example: The Lancet, BMJ, Nature (journal)-all of them are notable. The article in The Nature is written by a staff writer not the subject himself. Also, the fact that Mr. Pansera is devoting his time to NFT, does not cancel his previous notable achievement. Hermann Heilner Giebenrath (talk) 11:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I didn't emphasize the part of the sentence that I was referring to: OR via immediate gold Open Access. I have done that now. I read that to mean that anyone can have an article accepted without review of any sort if they have gold Open Access - Pay to play. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 14:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment After removing all the uncited information, the article is one sentence long. I do not see a way to expand the article. Others who have listed "coverage" in the discussion might want to make a run at it to see if they can improve. I can not find any information about the subject from those passing mentions, some of which are press releases or interviews. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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[Artnet_News-1] Batycka, Dorian (12 September 2022). "A Former Director of Hauser & Wirth Has Big Dreams for Video Art. That's Why He Founded a Tiny Film Festival in Collector-Rich St. Moritz". Artnet News. Retrieved 10 August 2023.

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