Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Statue of Charlie Chaplin, Shanghai

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to New Town Central Park. The arguments to keep are extremely weak; even if an IAR claim to notability is accepted, there needs to be enough sourceable content to justify a standalone article, and this holds true for a merger as well. Those arguing to delete convincingly demonstrate that such sourcing has yet to be found. As there is no specific opposition to redirecting, that seems to be a valid ATD, but there is clear consensus against the standalone page. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Statue of Charlie Chaplin, Shanghai

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Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Statue of Zhang Side, notability is not established with substantive sources. Existence of art outdoors is not automatic notability and no basis to remove a prod without addressing the unacceptable lack of sources and GNG failure. Features in a park can also be included in the park article without stand-alone articles. Reywas92^Talk 03:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts and China. Reywas92^Talk 03:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - with the proviso that I do not read the local languages, it seems unlikely that this is a notable statue. Very few references to it in English and it doesn't even appear to be the best know Chaplin statue in Shanghai. JMWt (talk) 08:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I have added some content that explains Chaplin's connection to Shanghai and China. It doesn't explain the statue, but it does give the reader a glimpse into why Shanhai would erect a statue of Chaplin. — Maile (talk) 13:14, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like the argument to delete is even stronger if the only sources don't even discuss the statue. And the citation 1 that is actually about statues appears to only mention a different one in Shanghai. Reywas92^Talk 13:34, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Have to agree with Reywas' comment above - there appears to be ~~exactly one~~ not a single relevant citation here, the rest is nice background but does nothing for the notability of this specific topic. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Zero sources, the blog post about Chaplin statues doesn't include this one. Reywas92^Talk 01:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correct on checking back; revised.--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 05:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, that an English actor is so-honored in Shanghai is notable. The sources explain why Chaplin was remembered with a statue, so they seem directly relevant to the article. A morecites tag seems far more appropriate than a delete, and in either case the image should be used and captioned in other articles. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An aside to the Chaplin statue phenomenon - if some editor were so inspired, and sourced, re-naming this for a list article something like "Statues of Charlie Chaplain around the world". Commons has Media in the category "Statues of Charlie Chaplin", which is impressive in and of itself. And if you do a Google search, it's amazing all the statues of him around the world. He certainly managed to touch people possibly beyond that of any other public figure. — Maile (talk) 23:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That actually isn't a bad idea, and would be even more notable than this one statue. Historyday01 (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Randy, I've appreciated working with you before, but again, there are zero sources about the article's topic. A subjective opinion on the importance of an artwork because of its location, subject, or their relationship has no bearing on its notability or appropriateness of a stand-alone article – we do not keep articles that do not pass WP:GNG just because they exist (nor must images be somewhere because they exist).
To Maile, Charlie_Chaplin#Commemoration_and_tributes describes several ways he's been honored, including statues (mostly outside England!). Not sure if this gallery needs another one but perhaps that part of the FA can be expanded in general (there's a lot more of a "phenomenon" to his popularity than merely statues), but that can be done separately with no bearing on this page. Reywas92^Talk 01:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That might not be a bad idea. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 05:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If nothing else results, weak merge into New Town Central Park (where it is located). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 05:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete per WP:V#Notability, otherwise merge/redirect per Slgrandson above. FWIW I have Googled "查理卓别林" + "新虹桥中心花园酒店" and some variations thereof, with 0 results; not dispositive but not very encouraging. The problem with a redirect is that, as noted above, this is not the primary topic for the title, so such a redirect is likely to violate the principle of least astonishment. A disambiguation page could be considered if the Duolun Road statue was mentioned in that article, but that also feels a bit ridiculous. Fundamentally, absent any verifiable information from secondary sources relating to the New Town Central Park Chaplin statue itself, this just doesn't feel like encyclopedia material. -- Visviva (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for a second time. There's still no clear consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 13:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to New Town Central Park where it is mentioned. No merge needed, there's nothing to merge. SportingFlyer T·C 13:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
delete] as no claim to notability. Mangoe (talk) 03:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.