Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Joseph's High School (Renfrew)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — ΛΧΣ²¹ 02:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

St. Joseph's High School (Renfrew)[edit]

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Delete as Non-notable. I understand there is a presumption of notability on Wikipedia regarding high schools, but this article, I think, proves that there are exceptions to everything. Quis separabit? 15:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - high schools are significant institutions in their community. Experience shows that with enough research high school articles can be brought into compliance with WP:ORG. As with all likely notable subjects the way forward is to tag for improvement not deletion. If kept, the page should be moved to St. Joseph's Catholic High School (Renfrew). The Whispering Wind (talk) 15:59, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A simple GNews search of <"St. Joseph" Renfrew "high school"> shows that sourcing exists for this high school just as one would expect. [1] No reason to vary from our standards on this one. Not sure about the suggested name change; the official school website [2] and official Facebook page [3] use the name "St Joseph's High School". --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:08, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the school can be found via Google search (this is what pops up: [4]) — the question is what is remotely notable about the school. Quis separabit? 17:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - as long as a school offering secondary or higher education can be proved to exist (as above), it is inherently notable. I'm not aware of any exceptions to this rule. Also, against the move, since the school apparently doesn't use "Catholic" when referring to itself. Ansh6 6 6 17:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article, as written, contains no citations and fails to give any reason as to why the school is worthy for Wikipedia. The article, in its current form, could have been written by an eighth grader and nobody would have known the difference. The school itself only has one reference within every page that refers to it and that reference is the school website. Due to the lack of independent, reliable sources, the article should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155blue (talk • contribs) 17:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- As I said above, schools offering secondary or higher education have a special exemption to ordinary notability standards. Ansh6 6 6 17:49, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ansh666: Any evidence that that is Wikipedia policy? Just curious. Thanks. Quis separabit? 17:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Response by Michael below. What I meant is that it has to be verifiably in existence. IIRC, secondary sources are generally not needed for high schools due to their community importance. Ansh6 6 6 23:04, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 18:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This isn't a policy per se, but it is the common practice backed by longstanding consensus and precedent. See WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:NHS. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 18:16, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:07, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and Wikipedia:Notability (high schools), articles about secondary schools are typically retained in the encyclopedia. Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep of course, as a secondary school, for all the reasons we usually keep articles on secondary schools. I have no idea what the nominator is getting at. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To the interested parties — there are exceptions to every rule, which is why WP:IAR exists. I am not invoking IAR but pointing out that allowing a plainly non-notable school, which was for a long period of time a copy and paste stub, to remain is to rely on rote, boilerplate precedents and ignoring the chance to intellectually challenge notability. That being said, I obviously realize that the article is a near unanimous keep, so we may as well close it out accordingly. Quis separabit? 17:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As we have discussed before, there is no such thing as a non-notable high school. Ansh6 6 6 18:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary there are many, many thousands, if not millions, worldwide, which is why not every high school on the planet has an article on Wikipedia, and most never will. It's just that for some reason Wikipedia holds that any article related to a high school must be kept (see Michaelzeng7's comments). There's a difference. Quis separabit? 20:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST, but that doesn't mean we should delete this. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

High schools are almost always notable, no matter where they are in the world. In this case, I see no reason to separate this high school from any other high school article on Wikipedia. The Whispering Wind (talk · contribs) has made many improvements that evidence this. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, the only time when high schools are usually deleted is when zero sources can be found to prove they exist. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:14, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The reason the community has agreed most high schools should be kept is because they are very important in their respective communities. As stated before, it is postulated that, with enough research, a fairly decent article can most oftentimes be written about any high school. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:26, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Futher, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, so there is no practical limit to the number of topics Wikipedia can cover or the total amount of content. Instead of having a goal of writing an article for every high school out there in the world, we should consider each subject one by one. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per long-standing WP:CONSENSUS, being a high school = notability. Argument against it seems to boil down to WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST, so this can be deleted despite WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bushranger (talk • contribs) 09:15, 2 August 2013‎ (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you sort of contradicted yourself there. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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