Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonderkommandos of Einsatzgruppen

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The result was redirect to Einsatzgruppen. Actually merge, but the content lacks the inline citations necessary for a merger. If those are provided, content can be merged from history. Sandstein 17:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sonderkommandos of Einsatzgruppen

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Only two inbound links in article space; the scope of the article overlaps substantially with the main Einsatzgruppen page and should probably be replaced with a redirect to Einsatzgruppen, which covers the material much better. Ich (talk) 11:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Ich (talk) 11:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Ich (talk) 11:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect to Einsatzgruppen per nom. It is questionable whether this subject actually has stand-alone notability - the references all appear to refer essentially to Einsatzgruppen. Without any actual in-line citations identifying at least the page number the information in the article comes from it is incredibly hard to assess the notability of it. I think this is also a reasonable WP:TNT case due to the very poor state of the citations and poor quality of the article. FOARP (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Einsatzgruppen and link from Sonderkommando (disambiguation). No need for a separate article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge While there is independent information about Sonderkommandos, they were part of the overall Einsatzgruppen organization. Better suited as part of the main article in my view. Intothat darkness 23:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do no merge This issue could not be simply solved by voting. Einsatzgruppen were divided into einsatzkommandos and sonderkommandos. There is the separate article about Einsatzkommando in Wikipedia as the subunits of Einsatzgruppen, so, logically, the separate article on Sonderkommandos as the subunits of Einsatzgruppen is also required. The other reason that this article is required is the fact that many other articles in Wikipedia refer or should refer to this article of Sonderkommandos of Einsatzgruppen. I can show examples. Many articles on other Sonderkommandos as the special units of Third Reich could be found in Wikipedia therefore we need this article to distinguish Sonderkommandos of Einsatzgruppen from the other Sonderkommandos as the special units of Third Reich. It is ridiculous to confuse, for example, Sonderkommandos comprised from jewish prisoners with Sonderkommandos of Einsatzgruppen that employed SS-men, war criminals. I found several articles in Wikipedia under the extended protection from which could be made references (links) to the article of Sonderkommandos of Einsatzgruppen. For example: Einsatzgruppen, Einsatzkommandos. Also, I found that the articles of Paul Blobel, Walter Blume, Einsatzgruppen trial and many other Wikipedia articles could refer (link) to this article. I agree that the article must be improved --Slav70 (talk) 01:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not an argument for keeping this article, but an argument for correct linking from other articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For me to change my mind on this, at the very least, I would want to see how this article is actually supported so that it passes WP:GNG. The sources listed in the article do not presently do this because there are no page references so it is impossible to see how the article content is actually supported. Even with this, merging to Einsatzgruppen still looks like the best option for reasons of presentation. The differences between different sonderkommandos (which is ultimately just a German word for "special command unit", and so of course has been used for other things) can be explained at the Einsatzgruppen article. FOARP (talk) 08:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will provide sources within a few days. If you think that the merging this article with Einsatzgruppen is the best option, the article of Einsatzkommando by the same reasons must be merged with the Einsatzgruppen article. Einsatzkommandos and Sonderkommandos are the subunits of Einsatzgruppen.--Slav70 (talk) 08:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Einsatzkommando is well-written and clearly demonstrates why it should be a stand-alone article. Please understand that the objections here are about the article and nothing else. FOARP (talk) 09:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sonderkommandos of Einsatzgruppen could also become a well-written article with time. There is a very insignificant difference between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos as the subunits of Einsatzgruppen. There are many materials on this topic.--Slav70 (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You said that Einsatzkommando is well-written. Please read carefully the article of Einsatzkommando, and you will find that approximately ninety percent of this article is about Einsatzgruppen, especially about the structure of Einsatzgruppen. Therefore, the big part of this article must be transferred to and merged with the article of Einsatzgruppen.--Slav70 (talk) 16:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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