Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sol Forman

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The result was keep. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:31, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sol Forman

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Notability not inherited, non-notable former owner of a notable restaurant Peter Luger Steak House. Sources don't contain the kind of sigcov for establishing notability. NYT obituary is detailed but imo prose doesn't give indication of importance. NYP has an obituary, but my concern is the context of the publication is the restaurant's change of ownership, not the death of a famous owner. New Yorker article is far more about the restaurant itself. Given the long-time association, a redirect to the restaurant could possibly be warranted as an AtD. Zindor (talk) 11:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and New York. Zindor (talk) 11:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Normally we've accepted a full obituary in NYT as enough on its own; having checked it, I'm not sure what is lacking to provide significant coverage. Several other obituaries and articles are also available from reliable sources. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neither the content of the NYT or NYP obituaries provide indication of importance, there's nothing within the prose that supports that Forman himself is individually notable. The obituaries exist, sure, but it's entirely plausible that the existence of the obituaries is because the death concerns a significant change for an important NYC restaurant. On a lesser point, it's also evident that the extended family aren't nobodies in New York City society; it would be an oversight to not suggest that this could have weighted the decision for inclusion by city papers such as the NYT.

There's trivial mentions of Forman in articles about the restaurant, but where is the sig cov about him and what makes Forman important in his own right? The option was there during Forman's life for sigcov to be created, it didn't happen from what i can see. So why all the weight given to the coverage related to his death? It's a poor metric. Zindor (talk) 02:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:34, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect I few scattered hits, one in the NYT about his daughter running a meat shop under the Steak House. I'd redirect to the Steak House. Oaktree b (talk) 14:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:SIGCOV. In addition to the sources already in the article, there is significant coverage of him in the books below.4meter4 (talk) 03:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ellen Williams, Steve Radlauer (2002). The Historic Shops & Restaurants of New York. Little Bookroom. p. 305-307. ISBN 9781892145154.
Seth I. Kamil, Eric Wakin (2005). The Big Onion Guide to Brooklyn: Ten Historic Walking Tours. New York University Press. p. 92-93. ISBN 9780814747858.
William Stadiem, Mara Gibbs (2007). Everybody Eats There: Inside The World's Legendary Restaurants. Artisan. p. 27-28. ISBN 9781579653224.

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