Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sofie Cappelen

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The result was keep. Consensus is sourcing exists on which to build an article. Star Mississippi 20:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sofie Cappelen

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I found no significant coverage. I would suggest merging to her only significant role at Hotel Cæsar, but this article is unreferenced. SL93 (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Women, and Norway. SL93 (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete We should never have articles lacking reliable source coverage, and neither a subject's own website nor IMDb is a case of reliable source coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A family relation is the only connection of the subject to the notion of notability. This cannot be helped. -The Gnome (talk) 10:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral: Although her biography doesn't adequately communicate it, Cappelen is a famous actress, mostly owing to her role (1998-2010) in the Hotel Cæsar TV series (1998-2017), whose popularity may be compared to that of Downton Abbey. That said, most of the other titles she's contributed to are (despite being widely known in Norway) barely of interest to English-language Wikipedia. Thus, the question is whether this notable yet single role in Hotel Cæsar justifies a biography in English-language Wikipedia. I see that some editors of Cappelen's biography have given prominence to her family backgrounds, but I don't think this is something Cappelen emphasises herself. I wouldn't blame her for what might be the fixation of pedigree lovers. By the way, in the National Library's database, the search phrase "Sofie Cappelen" gives 1,055 hits in Norwegian newspapers between 1982 and 2022. Link: https://www.nb.no/search?q=%22Sofie%20Cappelen%22&mediatype=aviser&fromDate=19820202&toDate=20220603 Thanks. Brox Sox (talk) 14:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brox Sox, do you know if the newspaper articles give what Wikipedia would regard as significant coverage of Cappelen? That is the main issue for en Wikipedia notability. A lot of the hits are "Victoria (Sofie Cappelen" as part of a Hotel Cæsar plot summary. TSventon (talk) 03:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TSventon: When excluding the phrase "Victoria", the search renders 205 hits, mainly (a) TV listings, (b) standard news bulletins distributed from Norwegian News Agency to local newspapers, and (c) some news about Cappelen signing her book and so on. https://www.nb.no/search?q=%22Sofie%20Cappelen%22%20-Victoria&mediatype=aviser&fromDate=19820202&toDate=20220603 As to TV listings and standard news bulletins, there seem to be many repetitions. Example: https://www.nb.no/search?q=%22Sofie%20Cappelen%20er%20p%C3%A5%20restaurant%22&mediatype=aviser&fromDate=19820202&toDate=20220603 Brox Sox (talk) 13:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NACTOR states: "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Cappelen has had central roles in at least two notable productions: Aldri mer 13! (movie), Hotel Cæsar (TV series). Of course, they're not Hollywood productions, but they're notable in Norway. Trying to find substantiated support for a decision, I've compared Cappelen to some of her Hotel Cæsar colleagues who have BLPs in English Wikipedia, including Dag Vågsås, Kristin Frogner, Per Christensen, Vanessa Borgli, Stian Barsnes-Simonsen. With the possible exception of Barsnes-Simonsen, these actors don't appear as more notable than Cappelen. Brox Sox (talk) 10:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Brox above, as well as in general. Two notable productions and a flurry of news coverage surrounding her book tour should be enough. Iseult^Δxparlez moi 01:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC) ~~Neutral~~: the fact that Hotel Cæsar ran for nearly twenty years is evidence itself of popularity, but given that Cappelen seems to have little notability outside of her involvement there, and that coverage of her involvement seems to be sparse, if distinct, I'm loathe to make an exception to WP:NACTOR. I concur with Brox that notability is not inherited. I'm voting neutral for now; Brox Sox and TSventon, how would you describe extant coverage (print and online) of her role as Victoria, excluding plot summaries online? Iseult^Δxparlez moi 07:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Iseult: According to the National Library database, the most recent media coverage of Cappelen pertaining to her Hotel Cæsar role was in Vårt Land on 26 Apr 2019. In Aftenposten on 4 Apr 2018, Cappelen and two of her fellow psychology students published an opinion piece. Media coverage in 2017 was mainly about Hotel Cæsar being taken off air. In 2015, a couple of local newspapers covered Cappelen's tour where she read from and signed her new children's book. https://www.nb.no/search?q=%22Sofie%20Cappelen%22&mediatype=aviser&sort=datedesc&fromDate=19820202&toDate=20220603 Somewhat related, Verdens Gang wrote on 17 Dec 2011: "Sofie Cappelen from Hotel Cæsar worships her life with toddlers—and the dream of becoming a fifth-generation publisher" (cf. J.W. Cappelens Forlag, since 2007 Cappelen Damm). Cappelen's books are: 1) "Bjørnis og de røde prikkene" (2015), ISBN 9788299939201, Kvitøya forlag, 2) "Bjorny and the Red Dust", ISBN 9788299939218, Kvitøya forlag. This is a non-notable publisher. Furthermore, Cappelen has established and owns Eventyrforlaget, a small publishing company that has publised "Godnattareglen" (2011), ISBN 9788299872300, by Jacob B. Bull (author) and A. Bloch (illustrator). Brox Sox (talk) 09:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on grounds of GNG and NOTTEMPORARY. Her acting career may be on hiatus, or substantially over, but my own search and especially the coverage highlighted by Brox Sox indicate she's received a lot of press coverage, and over several years. And we have enough referenceable information for a biography. I'm going to marshall what sources I can see and umprive the article based on them, but can't get to it immediately and am recording my argument here first since this discussion aooears to be overdue for closure or relisting. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Yngvadottir. Yngvadottir, if you don't have time to check the sources WP:WikiProject Women in Red may be able to help. TSventon (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to try to get to it tomorrow. Right now I'm up to my neck in rock drawings for an off-wiki project :-) It's just going to take me a while to do the researching and rewriting. If someone else gets there first, I'll be thrilled :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 09:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets general notability. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 17:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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