Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento

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The result was delete. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 17:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento[edit]

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There is no RS I could find which talks about this organisation. I do not even know what the official name of this organisation is. The only sources I found mentioning this organisation are random personal blogs ([1], [2], [3]). Veverve (talk) 09:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article was reviewed six months ago by User:Whiteguru. A redirect to this article, Unión Católica Trento, was reviewed one month ago by User:Rosguill. What's the official name? A very confusing question; the answer is "Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento" (how did you come up with that question?). The information here ([4]) is compiled from other sources. King Pius (talk) 10:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@King Pius: how did you come up with that question? I came up with it by not finding any RS calling it this way, and by seeing a name you put in the article which is not the same as the title of the article, i.e. "Priestly Society of Trent", as the name of the subject. Veverve (talk) 11:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento", in English, "Priestly Society of Trent". Or are you saying that you're confused as to what is the difference between the "Union Catolica Trento" and the "Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento"? King Pius (talk) 12:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@King Pius: You have not provided any RS for this claim this time either. Veverve (talk) 14:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Veverve: Which claim? King Pius (talk) 14:31, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@King Pius: the name of the group. Veverve (talk) 14:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Veverve: Here's one: "Tradicionalismo católico postconciliar y ultraderecha en Guadalajara". Universidad de Guadalajara. King Pius (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Firefox tells me it is not safe to download the file. Veverve (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong with it. King Pius (talk) 23:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Veverve: Why did you remove this reference? Gary L. Ward, Bertil Persson, and Alain Bain, eds., Independent Bishops: An International Directory [Detroit, MI: Apogee Books, 1990]. King Pius (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it, because the only information it supported could not stand alone, as I explained. Veverve (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? The three priests founded the Tridentine Catholic Union. How could that information not stand alone? King Pius (talk) 23:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The only information this source was given as a reference to in the article was (Tridentine Catholic Union). I could not check the source. Veverve (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's what the book says. What's wrong if it just mentions the Tridentine Catholic Union? We can't use its proper Latin name, "Union Catolica Trento", because you don't accept Griff's book. But at least we have something which according to you is RS which mentions the English name. Why don't you accept it?

I could not check the source.

How is that an excuse? Respectfully, that's your problem. King Pius (talk) 06:16, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 09:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question -- How many orders of priests do the sedevacantalist have? My impression is that this is a small Catholic splinter denomination. If so, we should seek to merge multiple articles back to one on the denomination. We should not get hung up on what can be sourced from RS. If the information is in fact true, an article is capable of being kept (unless there are BLP issues). Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Peterkingiron: By orders, do you mean congregations?

My impression is that this is a small Catholic splinter denomination.

It's not a denomination. It's a clerical congregation that claims to be in the Catholic Church. It's a major sedevacantist religious congregation, and is mentioned in Sedevacantism. King Pius (talk) 14:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

I am unfamiliar with Catholic clerical groupings. In my world a congregation is a local church. I may have misused the word "order".

Peterkingiron (talk) 18:49, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep' as has reliable sources book coverage as shown in the article and should therefore be included, in my view Atlantic306 (talk) 01:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Atlantic306: None of the RSs mention this group, only the lives of individual bishops. No RS support even the names of this group. Veverve (talk) 09:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Striking my keep vote as am somewhat confused by the article's notability or lack of, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 01:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Moisés Carmona. Most of the sources for the article on this niche society overlap with the ones from the article on Bishop Carmona. I'm not seeing enough coverage from reliable sources about the society itself, independent from the coverage of Bishop Carmona. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That would be weird as this society was founded after Bishop Carmona's death. King Pius (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Colonestarrice (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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