Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Socialism in One Country

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. Warden (talk) 22:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Socialism in One Country[edit]

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notability Darkstar1st (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as notable. Edward Hallett Carr wrote a multi-volume work on this very subject, which is the top hit on Google Books, and by itself must surely constitute significant coverage. It is the subject of book chapters in Leon Trotsky and the Politics of Economic Isolation, Richard B. Day [1]; Decades of crisis: Central and Eastern Europe before World War II, Iván T. Berend [2]; Stalin and German Communism: A Study in the Origins of the State Party, Ruth Fischer, John C. Leggett [3]; The Passing of an Illusion: The Idea of Communism in the Twentieth Century, François Furet [4]. The nominator needs to review WP:BEFORE. Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:11, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

did you read the discussion on the talk page, Carr(the lone source for this term) also said this: The crucial point about Hitlerism is that its disciples not only believe in themselves, but believe in Germany. For the first time since the war a party appeared outside the narrow circles of the extreme Right which was not afraid to proclaim its pride in being German. It will perhaps one day be recognized as the greatest service of Hitlerism that, in a way quite unprecedented in German politics, it cut across all social distinctions, embracing in its ranks working men, bourgeoisie, intelligentsia and aristocrats. Germany Awake! became a living national faith Darkstar1st (talk) 21:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And so what? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 21:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It was the base concept of Soviet society for nearly 60 years, and You still think it lacks notability? Anyway, many references could be found in translations of soviet ideologists and some other sources. Even Herbert Wells briefly covered this in Russia in the Shadows. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 20:25, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

do you have the sources in Russian or english where the term was 1st used? Darkstar1st (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Utopian socialists and nationalists have advocated the theory of socialism in a single country before this time. In Germany today, the theory of an “independent” national economy, which progressively diminishes its connection with world economy to the vanishing point “autarchy,” as it is called – is the reactionary ideal of Hitler’s Fascists. Marx and Engels specific ally polemicized against the idea of a national socialist utopia in all their writings. Even Stalin was compelled to admit that the two founders of scientific socialism never entertained the idea, when he said that the possibility of building socialism in a single country was first formulated by Lenin in 1915, Max Shachtman Genesis of Trotskyism the Theory of Socialism in One Country Darkstar1st (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't. I'm neither historian, nor communist, and thus I don't keep this under my pillow. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 21:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Possibly limited in its referencing, but that's no reason for deleting a major concept like this. It was a total change around from the earlier 'world revolution' policy. Peridon (talk) 20:58, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A concept of major historical significance. The article needs expansion, and more references, not deletion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:01, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A one-word nomination that really needs a prior application of WP:BEFORE. Try Google Books for a start. Articles in need of improved referencing but on subjects of clear notability do not belong at AfD. AllyD (talk) 22:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.