Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silverlake Vineyard

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:11, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Silverlake Vineyard[edit]

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Vineyard does not meet WP:NCORP- coverage consists of WP:PASSING mentions, PR puff-pieces and non-independent sources. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 08:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Major, well-known tourist attraction. Coverage in the South China Morning Post[1], Rough Guides[2] and PrestigeOnline.com[3] is independent and fairly in-depth, and this is without touching on the plethora of Thai sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 09:46, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:44, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Coverage in the cited sources is minimal, with just brief mentions and not in-depth, with the exception of one source,[4]. That source is questionable though: "This luxury tour—sponsored by the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT)..." Vexations (talk) 23:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I do think the SCMP coverage (here's a snippet in case it's paywalled: justpaste.it/4338k) is in-depth enough, and the others I mentioned above go beyond mere mentions, devoting multiple paragraphs to the place. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Paul 012, These sources are promotional, not in-depth and do not meet WP:NCORP
    - [5]: If you’d prefer to visit somewhere nearer home, try Silverlake Vineyard which is located near to Buddha Mountain (Khao Cheejan). The winery produces Sauvignon Blanc, Shiraz, Cabernet Sauvignon and Chardonnay and offers several interesting tourist attractions. The pleasant Silverlake restaurant serves a variety of Thai and Western dishes.
    - [6] The Monsoon Valley’s sprawling Hua Hin vineyard in Thailand, PB Valley Khao Yai Winery, close to Khao Yai National Park, and Silverlake’s vineyard in Pattaya are among the new latitude regions that are rich in soil nutrients and have plenty of springwater, making the best terroir.
    - [7] winner of Best Villa Development (Eastern Seaboard); Silverlake Vineyard and Winery by Silverlake Vineyard Co., Ltd.,
    - [8]: The Tuscan-inspired Silverlake Vineyard in Pattaya is one of the prettiest wineries closest to Bangkok, and is worth a trip for its spicy, smoky shiraz and juicy chenin blancs (perfect for pairing with a fiery papaya salad).
    - [9] Set against natural beauty of the surrounding hills and the silver shimmer of the vineyard’s name sake lake, Silverlake vineyard is a must-visit. The vineyard has also earned itself a reputation as a destination for outstanding live music and performances through their commitment to showcasing the best local and international artists.
    - [10]: Silverlake Vineyard’s sprawling property has whimsical windmills, colorful garden blooms in French-style symmetrical landscaping, Japanese bridges, gardens with metal porch swings and an open amphitheater designed for concerts and parties. It produces one of Thailand’s best shiraz and shiraz blends like Tango Shiraz Cabernet Sauvignon, and 2010 and 2012 Private Reserves. It also carries a 2011 Chenin Blanc. The estate has facilities for making wine and juice. There’s a guided tour of the winery facilities, and wine-tasting at the Cellar Door, a charming little pub run by its small but efficient staff. One of the thrills of going to Silverlake is the arresting view of the Khao Chi Chan mountain, where the biggest image of Buddha is sculpted on its limestone cliffs. Our guide said that the Buddha, measuring 70 meters tall and 109 meters wide, is made of pure gold. Vexations (talk) 21:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Ah, it seems we're looking at different sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:10, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        Paul 012, I was looking at the ones that are used in the article: The only one I didn't quote was https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/travel/article/2057438/pattaya-weird-wonderful-world-brazen-and-bizarre Vexations (talk) 12:28, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Paul_012. Thanks to Paul for finding new references. Passes WP:GNG. There is now no justification whatsoever for this article to be deleted. VocalIndia (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is a not one single standout reference been presented to indicated that this 500 acre farm vineyard is notable. References that have been presented so far are paid advertising in the tourist guides to bring in visitors. They are really mediocre, best Villa development, prettiest vineyard. They are all PR. Vistors can buy Grape Juice and Grape Juice Products. Where is the international awards for the quality wine, these types of references of notable vineyard require? What is, is a vineyard that sells plonk to tourist. There is not one international recognition or award, to indicate it is notable. scope_creep^Talk 12:35, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- "A vineyard that sells plonk to tourists"—I don't dispute that assessment, but there's nothing in the notability guidelines that say such places cannot be notable, nor that vineyards may only achieve notability through "international awards for quality wine". It's quite clear that the place is very much unabashedly a tourist attraction. Sources that cover it in that aspect, if independent and in-depth, should help establish notability just fine. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:57, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think the source analysis by Vexations shows that it doesn't meet notability requirements as a tourism venue either. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:38, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – bradv^🍁 00:06, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. The winery is notable as a tourist attraction but fails to be notable as a winery. WP:WINETOPICS, while not an official guideline, includes valid notability criteria for wineries and this winery would fail. But based on Paul_012's sources, it's notable as a tourist attraction. I agree with Vexations that the sources currently in the article are junk. They should be replaced with the ones Paul_012 found. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:03, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.