Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siji Tzu

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The result was Delete. EdJohnston (talk) 03:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Siji Tzu

I suspect this to be a hoax. Yes, there is a book about him. But no, there is absolutely nothing that I can find in Chinese using the Chinese translation (四季子). The Google Book search, on page 5, describes him as a "mythical sage from an unknown time in an unknown place" but claims that "notes from his lost journals" may be found at siji-tzu.com -- which is a domain that doesn't exist. I see no evidence that the person actually existed or that these writings actually existed and were not simply a figment of the author's imagination. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 17:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not sure I follow. You have established there is a book, but you still think it's a hoax? So the book is a hoax??

Seems like a real book to me. SunCreator (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I believe that the book is a hoax -- or, to be more accurate, that the book created a fictionalized personality that didn't actually exist. --Nlu (talk) 18:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Cannot find any notability. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL SunCreator (talk)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. -- Beloved Freak 18:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Have either of you actually read the book or even seen a copy? If not than I think you may be making a premature judgment. I personally can't decide either way unless more evidence is brought to light.Insearchofintelligentlife (talk) 02:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The book is available (at least partially; I have not tried to scroll through the whole thing to see if the entire book is available) on Google Books, and I provide the link above. Nothing that I see denotes that the person is real or that the alleged notes were real. It should also be noted that the book is labelled volume 1, but there is no volume 2 or so on published by the author. Further, Amazon lists the book well past the millionths on its rank of sales, indicating that the book is not itself notable. --Nlu (talk) 05:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No notability established. Stifle (talk) 14:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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