Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siege of Mirkwood

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The result was merge to The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar. Tone 17:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Mirkwood

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As yet unreleased, non-notable, software, fails GNG and WP:CRYSTAL. ukexpat (talk) 19:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A properly announced (not some vague rumours) expansion of a notable MMORPG, which has received attention in reliable sources around the world. E.g. Belgian newspaper "De Morgen"[1], Wired [2], and numerous specialized magazines and websites (65 Google News results). Crystal does not mean that we shouldn't have articles on unreleased software, as evidenced by the line "In forward-looking articles about unreleased products, such as movies and games, take special care to avoid advertising and unverified claims." Since we have different reliable sources explicitly about this expansion (so no passing mentions), it meets the GNG and doesn't fail crystal. Fram (talk) 08:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Something that doesn't exist yet does not gain notability by transference from a notable predecessor. It is not yet knowable whether this game will ever be released, let alone independently notable, which it certainly is not now. There's certainly nothing in Fram's links that establishes an unusual level of anticipation that merits inclusion on that basis. NTK (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unreleased things can still be notable. We don't have to be certain that X will happen, there just has to be a clear announcement with concrete information in reliable sources. "We are working on a new version / expansion" is insufficient: "we have a new expansion ready, this is its name, here are the demos, and it will be released in the next few months for that price" is good enough (for crystal, not for notability), even if it ultimately never materializes. this never happened either (but is obviously very notable). And why would you want an unusual level of anticipation? Don't the normal WP:N rules not apply to announced things? Anyway, I know that Google numbers are not sufficient, but if you want an unusual level of anticipation, over half a million Google hits may satisfy you[3]. Fram (talk) 07:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: IMHO very few unreleased games etc are notable, Beatles Rock Band maybe, and merely a high level of expectation, even in half a million Ghits, does not amount to "significant [my emphasis] coverage in reliable sources". Why do we need an article on this now - can we not wait to see if it does indeed become notable post-release and create the article then? – ukexpat (talk) 16:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into the main Shadows of Angmar article as long as the expansion itself isn't released. When the expansion pack hass been received some more public attention a standalone might be due. De728631 (talk) 18:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 18:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Simply merge to The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar with an appropriate citation. Marasmusine (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.