Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shwesannwe Sayadaw

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 21:18, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shwesannwe Sayadaw

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Non-notable monk per WP:BIO. SL93 (talk) 18:27, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Myanmar-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Buddhism-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:35, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:35, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article includes four references, which probably confirm that he is notable as an author and religious authority. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:37, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how two dead links and two YouTube videos prove anything. SL93 (talk) 18:49, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Some quick checks yielded the following:

One of the links (for The Voice) is available via the Wayback Machine at https://web.archive.org/web/20190110133836/http://thevoicemyanmar.com/it/17666-ssn . I couldn't get a translation of the page.
I couldn't find a working link for News.Yatanarporn.
The first YouTube, at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w9b1syhgegA , is from a verified channel. I have no idea what the video says, but Google translates the text intro as "In commemoration of the opening of Shwe San Nwe Free Eye Hospital led by Shwe San Nwe Sayadaw, rice was donated to the disabled and locals". I also don't know if DVB TVnews is a reliable source (although it has nearly one million subscribers).
The second YouTube, at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8tjT4KhuM , is a problem. The YouTube channel isn't verified, thus is not a reliable source. For all we know, it's even a copyright violation. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 18:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ no opinion [see "Comment on change to no opinion", below]. Poor sourcing, and a language barrier, make this a tough one. Proof of notability is sorely lacking. Of the four sources specified (see my comments, above):

The first is a newspaper article I can't translate. Maybe it's a reliable source; maybe the coverage is significant; maybe not.
The second link doesn't respond, and isn't on the Wayback Machine. I've googled and found references to other newspapers in Yatanarpon, but not this one. Not promising as a reliable source.
The third link is to a YouTube channel that is verified, and might conceivably be a reliable source; I don't know. However, based on the text description of the video, and watching the video without understanding what's said, it appears to be Shwesannwe Sayadaw making a brief public statement about a hospital -- not in depth coverage of the speaker.
The last link is to a YouTube channel that isn't verified. Fail! Also, if I were to hazard a guess, it appears to be a video copy of a TV news channel, with no proof of copyright authorization. So....not a reliable source.

In sum, this doesn't look like the coverage suffices. At best, there's one source, or maybe one and one half. I didn't have much luck in finding more, although there were many links. My guess is that, if someone who spoke Burmese, and maybe even was up on religious celebrities, took a crack at the article, they would find more. However, my guess isn't good enough. For now, this means deletion. If it's any consolation, my hunch is that most of the article is unreferenced, and would have to be deleted anyway (although I liked the title of the third publication in the list, which Google translates as "If the needle is missing, search for it with an elephant"). --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 22:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another comment. I tried to search the Burmese Wikipedia. I searched for what I think is his name - ရွှေဆံနွယ်ဆရာတော် or maybe ရႊဆံႏြယ္ဆရာေတာ - and got no matches. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 03:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on change to no opinion. Thanks to Taung Tan for finding more sources. I used Google Translate on the articles. If I understand correctly, both mentioned Shwesannwe Sayadaw only briefly (e.g., as part of a ceremony). However, if he received "one of the highest state religious titiles" that might be enough to satisy WP:ANYBIO #2 ("The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor"). I don't know if this award qualifies, so I can't vote keep, but I won't vote delete either. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 16:52, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Traveling Man: Thanks for your comment. For his title, don't translate to English pls use Find in page tool at the source page and search this words "နိုင်ငံတော် ဓမ္မကထိက ဗဟုဇနဟိတဓရ ရွှေဆံနွယ်ဆရာတော်" (his title + name). Cheers Taung Tan (talk) 16:59, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is a highly respected senior monk. He received one of the highest state religious titiles "နိုင်ငံတော် ဓမ္မကထိကဗဟုဇနဟိတဓရ" (Dhamma Kathika Bahujanahitadhara) by government of Myanmar, mentioned in [1]. He also played a key role and representative in the buddhist cooperation between Myanmar and China, reported by the national newspaper see [2]. Taung Tan (talk) 16:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and agree per Taung Tan. As an awardee of one of the Dhammakathika titles, Sayadaw meets ANYBIO. Htanaungg (talk) 04:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets WP:ANYBIO. Thanks Taung Tang.Marcus MT (talk) 09:22, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw: Per Taung Tang. SL93 (talk) 22:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Taung Tan. passes WP:ANYBIO.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as there are enough sources to meet anybio.Jackattack1597 (talk) 18:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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