Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Show'N Tell
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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Show'N Tell[edit]
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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies)'s section for products requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. ♟♙ (talk) 22:39, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Toys-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 06:12, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. I think it has significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, and is therefore notable. I can do a source assessment to show my reasoning if you'd like. —FORMALDUDE (talk) 21:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes please let us see what you found. I couldn't really find much, but I'm certainly not infallible. ♟♙ (talk) 17:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- @FormalDude: any progress on the sources? ♟♙ (talk) 23:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delayed response, I'll start a source assessment now. —FORMALDUDE (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- @FormalDude: any progress on the sources? ♟♙ (talk) 23:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes please let us see what you found. I couldn't really find much, but I'm certainly not infallible. ♟♙ (talk) 17:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep pending FormalDude's efforts. I'd think most trademarked things like this would probably have enough to be notable in some way, but maybe that's just my optimism. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 17:39, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Below is my source assessment. —FORMALDUDE (talk) 17:03, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by User:FormalDude
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| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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| US Patent and Trademark Office. |  From a government agency not affiliated with the subject of the article
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Source is a public record of the United States patent office
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 Trademark is expired
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✘ No |
| "G.E. Bows PhonoViewer for Kids" | From the newspaper/magazine Billboard.
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Billboard is generally considered a reliable publication.
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Displays an image and description of the subject of the article.
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✔ Yes |
| "Show'N Tell advertisement" | It is an advertisement but it is not self-published as it is from the LIFE magazine.
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Adverts are reliable sources for describing how the company markets its product.
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Displays an image and detailed description of the subject of the article.
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✔ Yes |
| "Show'N Tell History" | It is a profile from a website that covers vintage toys and games.
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The author Todd Coopee is a toy historian.
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Displays an image and detailed description of the subject of the article.
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✔ Yes |
| "GE's Products for Youth" | It is a third-party article from Billboard magazine.
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Billboard is generally considered a reliable publication.
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Offers a relevant description of the subject of the article.
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✔ Yes |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. | ||||
- Thank you for providing this! I need to figure out how to do that. As you correctly mention, the trademark listing isn't useful for satisfying GNG, but it is helpful for Verification the product exists. Unfortunately, advertisements are primary sources, non third-party, so can't be used to satisfy the GNG, but could be used to verify facts about the product itself. The toytales.ca website is unlikely to be considered a WP:RS, so not helpful to satisfying GNG but would perhaps make a good WP:EL. So this leaves us with the two Billboard pieces, which are both Reliable and third party, however I'm not sure there's enough detail there. The second one is a very brief article about several products, not just the Show'N Tell. The first one does seem to cover the product in reasonable detail, but I'm not sure just one source is enough. Let's see how the AfD plays out. ♟♙ (talk) 17:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- No problem, I just used this template to create it. Below I have updated the source assessment table based on your comment. However, I still think toytales.ca satisfies GNG. —FORMALDUDE (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by User:FormalDude
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| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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| US Patent and Trademark Office. | From a government agency not affiliated with the subject of the article.
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Source is a public record of the United States patent office.
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Trademark is expired and offers no other relevant details.
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✘ No |
| "G.E. Bows PhonoViewer for Kids" | From the newspaper/magazine Billboard.
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Billboard is generally considered a reliable publication.
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The "Show N' Tell" toy is the sole focus of the source. Displays an image and detailed description.
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✔ Yes |
| "Show'N Tell advertisement" | ? It is an advertisement but it is not self-published as it is from the LIFE magazine. | It is an advertisement.
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Includes an image and description.
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✘ No |
| "Show'N Tell History" | It is a profile from a website that covers vintage toys and games. They only provide factual content and it appears to be neutral.
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The author Todd Coopee is a well published toy historian so this seems very reliable.
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The "Show N' Tell" toy is the sole focus of the source. Includes a photo and detailed description.
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✔ Yes |
| "GE's Products for Youth" | It is a third-party article from Billboard magazine.
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Billboard is generally considered a reliable publication.
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While not the primary focus of the article, a relevant description of the "Show N' Tell" toy is included, and it is a significant mention.
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✔ Yes |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. | ||||
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