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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sources have been added, but there is no consensus over whether they show notability. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shirley, Squirrely and Melvin: LIVE[edit]

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Unnotable album. Completely fails WP:MUSIC and no real artist to record to. Almost unverifiable beyond seeing a few people mention it in random blog postings and fansites. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added two published references to strengthen my point. Hope that helps. --What about a squirrel? (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you added one, and its an encyclopedia which is a tertiary source. Two or one, however, still does not really show notability if its such a brief mention. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then what would? Also, must notability come before the technical aspect complete presentation of a group's discography in order for it to remain intact on the Wikipedia? --What about a squirrel? (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Notability does not preclude the album from being listed in their discography list, but notability is required for that album to have a standalone article. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was one of the first mash-up albums to have been released (in terms of structure). Does that help?--What about a squirrel? (talk) 22:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did you mean the Rolling Stone Album Guide or The Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:41, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 23:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Editor has made major efforts to attempt to source this article. Sources now meet all guidelines. Ikip (talk) 21:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included at Talk:The Nutty Squirrels and Alvin and the Chipmunks Ikip (talk) 21:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The sources that have been provided do not appear to be sufficient to support the article. For example, George Gimarc's book Post Punk Diary: 1980-1982 has been cited as a reference on the ground that his entry about Chipmunk Punk identifies the personnel on this album. Gimarc's book is available on Google Books [1], and it does have an entry about Chipmunk Punk, but it doesn't mention this album or Shirley & Squirrely anywhere. Another reference is to an article in Billboard magazine, which merely states that Shirley, Squirrely & Melvin were a novelty act on Excelsior Records, but doesn't mention this album or any alleged use of Chipmunks tracks. There is also no source provided for the claim that the track "Love Lives On" is a cult favorite on Los Angeles R&B stations. The article also claims, via a piped link, that the Ramones provided instrumental backing for this album under the pseudonym "The Amazing Rodent Rhythm Machine", another statement for which no source is provided. I don't believe that the article's claims to notability have been established as accurate. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Metropolitan90. Doctorfluffy (wanna get fluffed?) 19:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I look at the reference section, and it seems to prove notability. Even as a collaboration between two notable entities, it is notable. The Chipmunks are mega famous(their albums selling well, and they having a cartoon for many years), so they being involved in an album, makes it notable. Dream Focus 19:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Does that include the Gimarc book? I am going to see if I can track down the Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll cited in this article to see if that book mentions anything about this album. I won't be shocked if it doesn't. It's nice that this article claims the album was a collaboration with the Chipmunks, but that doesn't count for much unless it's verifiable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've now listened to one of the NPR items cited as a reference, "Annoying Music, In Honor of the King". NPR personality Jim Nayder has a regular segment in which he plays "annoying" music. While Shirley, Squirrely & Melvin were not mentioned in this segment about bad versions of Elvis Presley songs, their rendition of "Blue Suede Shoes" was posted on the NPR web site as an additional example. Since Nayder did not mention the group in his segment, he did not comment on any alleged collaboration between Shirley, Squirrely & Melvin and the Chipmunks. The only fact this source establishes is that Shirley, Squirrely & Melvin did a version of "Blue Suede Shoes". I suppose that verifying the existence of one track from this album is better than nothing, but it certainly doesn't prove the collaboration with the Chipmunks, much less with the Ramones. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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