Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shingen the Ruler (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shingen the Ruler[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG per lack of significant coverage where I agree with Czar that the sources posted in the 1st AfD were passing mentions or just not WP:SIGCOV in his previous nomination. Nothing to find in my searches Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 02:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 02:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep The article as is is garbage, but I would honestly be pretty surprised if English Wikipedia lacked an article (or at least a list entry) on a Japanese video game set in 16th-century Japan that was localized in North America in the early 90s, and had a two-minute fairly in-depth (if tongue-in-cheek) review of its cover and cartridge art by no less than James Rolfe. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:54, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No new source material since the last discussion. Lacking in significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?) to write an article that does justice to the topic. Being featured in a James Rolfe YouTube video has no bearing on notability—that's entertainment, not a reliable source. No suitable redirect targets, as List of Nintendo Entertainment System games/List of Family Computer games only lists games with individual articles and the game's developer also has no article. czar 18:19, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Czar: FWIW, while I agree with the statement Being featured in a James Rolfe YouTube video has no bearing on notability—that's entertainment, not a reliable source. in theory, the fact remains that the vast, vast majority of so-called "reliable sources" on video games (and indeed all modern popular media) are in reality entertainment pieces meant to make money by selling audiences, who watch/read the product for their own entertainment rather than to be informed by the work of scholars/critics/reporters, to advertisers. The Rolfe video I linked above can be used as an independent source to verify more "encyclopedic content" about the game than many of the articles whose standalone existence we currently tolerate. Again, I'm still saying weak keep because, honestly, I agree with you, but it seems arbitrary that an article on an old Japanese video game should be deleted when other articles that rely on equally shitty sources survive AFD because their shitty sources happen to be online. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A source is made credible by its editorial chain, whether that's editorial policy, journalist pedigree, or reputation among peers. The incredibly low standards of video game journalism only underscores the very low bar that this game's coverage would need to cross and yet cannot. Being an "old Japanese video game" is surely a factor, but the bigger point is that we are lacking reliable, secondary sources to paraphrase: in effect, we cannot do justice to this game based on the available sourcing. (No, an episode of the Angry Video Game Nerd on YouTube is not a quality source for the purposes of an encyclopedia.) czar 00:44, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per Czar. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Czar. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} 04:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete as I clearly didn't take the opportunity to fix the article last time it came up for deletion, I probably won't fix it this time, and Czar was more than patient in the intervening years. The Japanese wikipedia has a slightly better article on 武田信玄 (ファミリーコンピュータ) (it cites Famitsu and Family Computer Magazine, but I'm doubtful that the contributions cited actually qualify for SIGCOV). I'd guess even a full translation would not be up to English Wikipedia standards because (1) much of the page is about the game mechanics (e.g. army levels, battle movement, scenarios, etc) which would be better-suited for GameFaqs, (2) the article itself discusses the 1st game rather than the 2nd, and Shingen the Ruler was Takeda Shingen 2, and (3) even the Japanese Wikipedia doesn't have a page for Takeda Shingen 2. If Hot B's page was around, I'd've recommended this page for redirection to there, but Hot B was deleted before Shingen came up for discussion, so that's no longer a viable option short of a lot of work, which I'm clearly not going to do. Cookie3 (talk) 15:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.