Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shine 879

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The result was redirect to Pirate radio in the United Kingdom. Stifle (talk) 14:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shine 879[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG, conversion to redirect pointing to Pirate radio in the United Kingdom was contested but notability issues remain unaddressed. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 05:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio, Piracy, and England. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 05:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, per WP:CHEAP, I would suggest that instead of a full delete. I'd say it definitely fails WP:GNG to stand on its own regardless. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The station is licensed and originates its own programming - it has a history as a pirate radio station but is now legitimately on the air. Other digital-only UK radio stations have their own articles. Flip Format (talk) 16:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide any examples of significant coverage of Shine 879 in an independent source? _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:24, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:45, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep: The sources convey reliability and sufficient notability.JRed176 (talk) 20:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC) - WP:SOCKSTRIKE - Beccaynr (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how you could arrive at that conclusion. The current sources are:
- a non-independent history given by Shine
- Brief mention in The Guardian, where the entirety of text related to Shine is
  4.40 Today's pick-up point is Bethnal Green tube; Chris is otherwise engaged, so his colleague Trevor joins us. Our first destination is Shine FM, a 20-minute drive away. Trevor reveals the address. "You've heard about this street, yeah? It's notorious." 4.50 We tune into Shine FM, where Jazzy B's show is already under way. He shouts out to Pluto, then "to the Kings Cross ladies!" 5.00 After a short wait outside a Caribbean food store, a man in a white Le Coq Sportif jacket collects us, taking us through a black door, up five flights of stairs, past a box of unopened bills and a discarded rubber glove, into an empty flat. Shine FM - some decks, a MiniDisc player, speakers and an amp with its £15 Cash Converters sticker still displayed - is based in the kitchen. A spare mic rests on the draining board.
- brief mention in a broadcast licensing announcement
- Some coverage in passing in The Music Industry Raw
Across these sources, The Music Industry Raw has the beginnings of what could contribute to meeting GNG, and if supplemented by other sources providing equal-or-better coverage would establish notability, but the rest of the coverage does not pick up the slack. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - That it exists is not sufficient. Unless there's a more specific notability guideline (couldn't find one after a bit of digging), then WP:GNG and WP:NORG applies, and this article's subject meets neither of those. The station's website, trivial coverage, more trivial coverage, and a database listing are not sufficient as none of those contribute to the notability of the subject. I did find one story about a Shine FM threatening to "go pirate" but I think it's a different station because this one in the newspaper was a licensed station in Birmingham, not a pirate station in East London/Essex. The timeline doesn't match up; Birmingham's Shine FM had a license in 1998, when the East London/Essex Shine FM started as a pirate station in 1997. However, even if that source were about this article's subject, it alone wouldn't be enough. Pirate radio in the United Kingdom is a reasonable redirect target. - Aoidh (talk) 08:38, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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