Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shemayel
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. — Cirt (talk) 01:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I cannot find sufficient RS coverage of this singer, reflecting notability. Others are welcome to try. This is a BLP that has been tagged for need for third party RS refs since 2007. It is also an orphan; zero substantive articles link to it.Epeefleche (talk) 02:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 06:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Sources in English may be hard to find, but there seems to be no shortage of them in Arabic. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- There is certainly non-RS mention in Arabic, but blogs don't satisfy GNG.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Arabic sources seem sufficient. They need to be added, of course, but notability is established. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Which are RSs, that provide substantive treatment of the subject?--Epeefleche (talk) 05:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Among others, this, the Mar. 19 2006 Voice of Palestine interview (the site is down, but the piece is available elsewhere). As well, this is one of those things where I strongly suspect there's more out there that we're not finding because of the different character system (probably the relevant newspapers aren't all on GNews, eithehr). Have you considered asking Arabic speakers for help, for example at WikiProject Arab world? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That's your most reliable source? That's just Donia's blog. She is the entire editorial board -- blogs don't count towards notability. Feel free to post elsewhere -- we have loads of foreign language AfDs, and usually if there are interested editors watching AfDs, they will see the listing if (as was done here) the AfD is listed at the relevant deletion discussion page. (And, as you see, an Arabic language search was provided above as well).--Epeefleche (talk) 06:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- If it's not RS, then it's a good thing that it's, as I said, "among others." ;) In particular, there are a couple of other pieces (one story and one interview) that I see reprinted on forums that appear to be RS, though I can't find the originals. Again, having someone who actually speaks the language might be a help. She seems to be much more notable for ending her singing career than for anything she did during it, but notability is notability. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- As that is a non-RS blog, can you indicate what pieces specifically (if any) are RSs? In the absence of significant RS coverage, she is non-notable for RS purposes. Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:30, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict)As well, there's no reason to believe this interview is faked, in spite of the quality, and at least one of her albums is on a major label; I don't get any hits for the other label, which suggests a transliteration error rather than a non-existent label. Perhaps someone else could help identify the label. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:32, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- A person existing -- or having given an interview to a non-notable source -- does not count towards notability. Similarly, having one album on a label (even if the label were a major one) is not sufficient, per wp rules, to meet wp's notability standards. And having an album on a non-notable label does not count towards notability at all. Given that the above is what your !vote is based on, the closing admin should (and presumably will) weigh your !vote appropriately, as at AfDs we are bound to follow wp's notability guidelines.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- If it's not RS, then it's a good thing that it's, as I said, "among others." ;) In particular, there are a couple of other pieces (one story and one interview) that I see reprinted on forums that appear to be RS, though I can't find the originals. Again, having someone who actually speaks the language might be a help. She seems to be much more notable for ending her singing career than for anything she did during it, but notability is notability. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That's your most reliable source? That's just Donia's blog. She is the entire editorial board -- blogs don't count towards notability. Feel free to post elsewhere -- we have loads of foreign language AfDs, and usually if there are interested editors watching AfDs, they will see the listing if (as was done here) the AfD is listed at the relevant deletion discussion page. (And, as you see, an Arabic language search was provided above as well).--Epeefleche (talk) 06:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Among others, this, the Mar. 19 2006 Voice of Palestine interview (the site is down, but the piece is available elsewhere). As well, this is one of those things where I strongly suspect there's more out there that we're not finding because of the different character system (probably the relevant newspapers aren't all on GNews, eithehr). Have you considered asking Arabic speakers for help, for example at WikiProject Arab world? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.