Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaktipat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shaktipat

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shaktipat is a recent creation by the Siddha sect. More to come when I understand the appropriate format to submit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cognominally (talk • contribs)

AFD nomination was malformed; fixed it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 20:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete as a non-notable neologism. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 22:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC) Keep The info given below establishes notability. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 19:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- I changed my opinion from delete to keep but the article needs more references Cognominally (talk) 02:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC) My previous opinion : As I said here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shaktipat&diff=382429906&oldid=381511967 a scholarly book shows that the shaktipat is an invention of a guru of dubious stature. It is now a lucrative business http://www.siddhayoga.org/shaktipat-intensive of the siddha foundation. The article mainly talks of different levels of realisation (whatever that means) of a yoga practitioner. The many sources given apparently talk about these realisation levels attained without the so-called shaktipat. So old sources are used to justify a modern business. Cognominally (talk) 23:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to siddha yoga. a couple of neutral sentences should suffice. the term seems to only be used in recent, syncretic, nontraditional "yoga" schools. I dont see any evidence (prove me wrong, someone) that this is a vedic, or other ancient sanskrit concept. The actual phenomenon may in fact exist, and any number of "gurus" have had unusual psychic powers (is that spirituality? is my ability to hypnotize you spiritual?), but all this bullcrap is not encyclopedic. even if it were true, its a purely internal experience that cannot be documented reliably. (part of my argument to remove a lot of the lame attempts on WP to make esoteric doctrine somehow "legit" by writing about it here. hey, you see god, good for you. now back to the laundry).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 23:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yes article needs improvement, but that's not grounds for deletion. Google search returns about 195,000 hits. Shaktipat also seems not to be solely affiliated with 1 group. At worst, move to Wiktionary or merge to kundalini.TheRingess (talk) 23:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Same thoughts as TheRingess, it is as such a real thing at least as real as Past lives and such. As I have experianced it is a Hindu belief. Off2riorob (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep According to http://www.omkarsadhanaashram.org/meditation.htm the term is used in the Kulanarva Tantra and described in the Prakirna Upanishad. It's also in no way a single group affiliation - I experienced Shaktipat (gratis) without ever having heard of this sect. If a merge is deemed necessary, Kundalini is the only sensible target article. K2709 (talk) 13:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI Here is a non-sanskrit article using and discussing Shaktipat by name dated 1940: [1] (page 3). This predates Muktananda's self-documented receipt of Shaktipat in August 1947, so claims that he invented either the term or the process are demonstrably ill-founded. K2709 (talk) 21:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a very old practice in Kashmir Saivism—1932 in this book.[2] First Light (talk) 22:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A term used in Hinduism not limited to one sect. Lumos3 (talk) 23:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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