Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaheed Sukhdev College of Business Studies (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Rather than relist this discussion a 3rd time, I'm closing this discussion as No Consensus. You could follow up this AFD but discussing whether it should be Merged or Redirected on the article talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Shaheed Sukhdev College of Business Studies

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL; only two of the available sources might constitute SIGCOV, and most content in one of them is not intellectually independent of the college. The reliability of those sources is also not clear. The other sources are either WP:PRIMARY, WP:SPS, or entries in rankings (not SIGCOV). Previously soft-deleted (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaheed Sukhdev College of Business Studies). Actualcpscm (talk) 15:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and India. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. While some sources are available, they do not meet WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. 33ABGirl (talk) 16:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. This is not a notable school. No WP:SIGCOV. CastJared (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Delhi-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Keep, or perhaps "Merge" to a suitable list of undergraduate business school programs in India. Why do we keep having AFDs about schools in India, when surely they can/should be covered in list-articles, at least? Out of context, i.e. without them being properly listed (say with notes about accreditations, etc.) it is hard to evaluate a single new article. I see there exists List of MBA schools in India which is a pretty poor list with no explanation of its membership criteria (e.g. it is not defined like in the U.S. there could be a list of what was once termed AACSB-accredited programs), but I don't see a list of undergrad programs. More articles about business schools in India will keep coming, if a relevant list is not created and developed.

This claim in the article seems significant:

SSCBS was ranked #92 among (all) colleges in India by the National Institutional Ranking Framework in 2023 and #1 among BBA colleges in India by India Today in 2021.

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Or is it deceptive, that "BBA" means Bachelor in Business Analysis, if that is something non-standard, vs. in the U.S. I think a Bachelor of Arts (BA) in Business Administration would be the most common terminology? Hard to say, without a table to compare it to others. Or maybe that ranking framework is a bogus one, I have not even read its article, but at least there is an appeal to something like an accreditation.

Note, it is not required that a good merge target be available, for the AFD to call for creation of such a target and suggest that an article be merged. Obviously (to me) the topic of bachelors levels business programs in India is notable, and we can/should have a list of them. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 18:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, there is a List of business schools in Asia, and now List of business schools in India redirects to India's section, and I began organizing it by location. It has no tabulation of ratings or accreditations, or any other information about the named schools, however. If there was a table and "Shaheed Sukhdev College of Business Studies" was one row, then Shaheed Sukhdev College of Business Studies could be redirected to a row anchor in that row, using an "id=" field in top line of the row.

I suggest this AFD be closed, and some editing initiative to address Wikipedia coverage of business schools in Asia, or at least India, be started. The corresponding List of business schools in the United States is better and has a table which provides a model for something better for India (altho I am confused about it mentioning 3 accreditations existing yet showing just one Yes-No column). --Doncram (talk,contribs) 19:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that this isn't a matter of targeting Indian business schools. If an article is unlikely to meet the notability criteria, there will usually be an AfD discussion about it; that's just part of the process. In my opinion, the analysis "We delete too many articles like this" is much more a personal opinion than a policy-based argument. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST.

I'm also not sure what you mean by the article having a "significant claim"; if it didn't have a WP:CCOS, I would have nominated it in accordance with WP:CSD instead. However, again, this argument fails to address the actual problem here; there aren't any high-quality sources that establish the notability of this organization.

I'm not sure about the merge either, because the problem with the lack of reliable sourcing remains for this college. Actualcpscm (talk) 09:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC), edited 12:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• Keep Colleges and universities in India are ranked by the NIRF by the Ministry of Education, Government of India. According to that, this college comes in the top 100 colleges of India. According to India Today, the most widely circulated English magazine of India, this college was ranked #1 among BBA (bachelor of business administration) for two consecutive years - 2020 and 2021. After addition of new references, article should now meet WP:SIGCOV. As for accreditation, it is accredited Grade A by NAAC (National Assessment and Accreditation Council), the accrediting body of Govt. of India. Rajanarora95 (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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