Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shadowclan (4th nomination)

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The result was merge to Ultima Online. Sandstein 12:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shadowclan[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. The references listed are not notable (and for a large part of them, inaccessible). Looking through the WP:VG/RS custom Google search engine, I get one result by Engadget, but the page links to an interview on the World of Warcraft website... Which can't be found. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 14:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 15:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:27, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge to a section at Ultima Online's history. The article achieved notability when created, and notability is not temporary. Several of its references, such as the interview, can be found at archive.org, and several of them are published books as listed in previous AfD nominations (an thus can't disappear nor become invalid references). Diego (talk) 11:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Berog's argument at the second nomination is particularly persuasive. The fact that his article has been repeatedly nominated and survived is a strong indicator that it should never be deleted on notability terms, per WP:NOTTEMPORARY. Diego (talk) 11:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- The previous discussion was over nine years ago. Consensus can change. I think merging into Ultima Online would be a good idea though. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - What has changed in those nine years with respect to this topic? Diego (talk) 13:40, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:43, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or just redirect to Ultima Online, per above agreement. Not impressed by the previous discussions—where are the sources? There should be a section in the parent article about its Community, which would certainly be a notable aspect of the game currently neglected in its article. I don't see how Shadowclan deserves more than a sentence or two in such a section as it is, but it can be more useful as a redirect/merge in that case. czar 20:48, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.