Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbs in Vojvodina

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The result was Keep (NAC) Dr. Meh 23:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Serbs in Vojvodina[edit]

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Seems to be a POV fork. There is no need to have an article about a specific ethnic group in a specific region, there is no encyclopedic information this could possibly contain that should not be covered in the Vojvodina article instead. Indeed, many of the section titles are identical between the two articles. Prodego ^talk 16:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prodego, before claiming that something is a POV fork and propose it for deletion because of that it would be better that you mention these problems on the article talk page. I used several published sources for that article and my mistake was that I did not listed them in the "References" section of the article, but they are listed for example in this article on Serbian Wikipedia: http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Историја_Војводине#.D0.9B.D0.B8.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.83.D1.80.D0.B0 - I can copy-paste references from that list into English Wiki article (I mean those references that I used for that article). So, if you consider anything from article content to be POV, please explain what exactly and why. Second, there are several articles about ethnic groups in Vojvodina, for example Hungarians in Vojvodina, Slovaks in Vojvodina, Croats in Vojvodina, etc, etc, so would you delete only this one or all of them? Serbs are not only largest and most important ethnic group in Vojvodina but they have certain ethnographic features that make them distinct from other Serbs (for example language, folklore, culture, etc) and therefore they are specific etnographic group among Serbian people. Also, I cannot agree with your claim that "there is no encyclopedic information this could possibly contain that should not be covered in the Vojvodina article instead" - there is much more aditional info in this article and other articles about ethnic groups in Vojvodina that is simply too large to be covered in the main Vojvodina article. The only way in which we can cover content of all these ethnic articles would be to incorporate all of them into Ethnic groups of Vojvodina article, but, as I said, ALL of them, since there are several articles about ethnic groups in Vojvodina. PANONIAN 19:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is a similar article Serbs in Kosovo where the long history section also seems forked. Hobartimus (talk) 17:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also forked? Do you want to imply that Serbs in Vojvodina article is forked? If you do, then please explain your reasons why you would think that. PANONIAN 19:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per my statements above. PANONIAN 19:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - seems no different than, say, articles like Armenians in Germany or Ukrainians in Russia and certainly seems notable enough. If there is a POV issue than it should be reviewed as a POV issue, not summarily deleted. Kuralyov (talk) 02:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Kuralyov there is a very big difference to your comparison as both Germany and Russia are countries, while this area is not a country. A real analogy would be an article about Ukranians in Kostroma Oblast or even Russians in Orenburg Oblast. A german analogy would be Armenians in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Hobartimus (talk) 00:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 23:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This article may be overly long, but if so, that can be dealt with through normal editing. The Serb population in Vojvodina is a notable topic because Vojvodina is an autonomous province of Serbia, with a more ethnically diverse population than Central Serbia, and although Serbs make up the majority of the population in the province, there are certain municipalities within the province where another ethnic group has the majority of the population. See Demographic history of Vojvodina. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep We certainly should have articles about ethnic groups important in particular regions. Having this article isn't POV--eliminating it would be. DGG ( talk ) 21:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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