Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbia–Venezuela relations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge and redirect to Foreign relations of Venezuela. Material can be merged from the history, which remains visible. Fritzpoll (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia–Venezuela relations

Amazingly, not an article from Plumoyr or his sockpuppet Groubani. It still doesn't matter, though, this is a non notable relationship between two countries without representation in the other country (Venezuela's is in Bulgaria, and Serbia's in Brazil). Other than that, the article consists of Venezuela's decision not to recognise Kosovo's independence. I highly doubt that not recognising someone's independence makes a relationship notable - especially, as I've already stated, between two countries that aren't represented in the other country. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 16:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete article due to lack of notability, they don't even have embassies with each other. Possibly merge any appropriate information into Foreign relations of Serbia and Foreign relations of Venezuela. ♪Tempo di Valse ♪ 17:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom: no signs of notability. Nick-D (talk) 00:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge To Foreign relations of Venezuela, if only as an example of Pres. Chavez using foreign policy (in this case, relating to Kosovo) in regard to his strained relations with the U.S. Pastor Theo (talk) 23:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — The relation between the two countries is not significant enough to warrant an article. Master&Expert (Talk) 19:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: To the foreign relations section of the Venezuela article. South Bay (talk) 20:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Foreign relations of Venezuela. The decision to not accept Kosovo's independence is obviously an important bit of information that needs to be covered in a better context. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to the relationship's patent lack of notability (no embassies, tiny trade flow, very far apart from one another); Kosovo bit is entirely covered at International recognition of Kosovo. - Biruitorul ^Talk 23:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - usual notable bilateral relations - [1][2][3][4] and so forth, usual stuff. WilyD 15:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The first link says nought about Venezuela; the second and third are amply covered at International recognition of Kosovo; the fourth involves four students - students! - travelling to Belgrade to learn more about protest techniques: not exactly a reflection, one way or another, of bilateral relations. - Biruitorul ^Talk 16:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - You still haven't addressed why you feel that bilateral relations should be held to a much higher standard for inclusion than any other type of article. Redicule is also not an effective argument (though since you have no meaningful arguments at all, I suppose you need to go with what you have). Not sure what happened on the first one, I may go back andfigure out what I meant to link to. WilyD 16:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Students don't work for their government; they have no official capacity; they were little more than tourists. So yes, claiming that as a basis for notability in this relationship should be subject to mild ridicule. - Biruitorul ^Talk 16:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I sympathise with the difficulty in making good arguments to delete notable articles, leaving you with nothing but misdirection and ad hominems. Bilateral relations do consist of a lot more than just the official dealings at the federal level. Public opinion, acts of private citizens, whatever, all impact the relationship between the two countries (as noted by professional information providers) Wily D 18:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a leap of logic bordering on a WP:SYNTH breach. Just because four politically-motivated tourists (with whom, by the way, I have total sympathy) spent a few days in Belgrade does not constitute evidence of a significant relationship, unless so presented in an overview of Serbian-Venezuelan relations (which of course doesn't exist, since reliable, scholarly sources don't consider this a notable relationship). - Biruitorul ^Talk 18:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The three lone facts in this article (date of establishment and location of embassies) can be more than adequately covered in the "Foreign Relations of" articles listed in the "See also" section. Any major diplomatic incidents between the two countries would be more appropriate for history articles for each nation. If there were more to relations between these two countries than would be conceivably covered in existing articles, it would have surfaced since the article's creation. --BlueSquadronRaven 23:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.