Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Self Destruction (film)

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 10:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Self Destruction (film)[edit]

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Unotable web film that I can't find anything for (no luck looking up Self Destruction (film) on google as I keep on getting 50 Cent youtube videos instead!) Wgolf (talk) 03:51, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article is almost ten years old with no improvements in sourcing. The "Official Website" no longer exists. Thus, it fails WP:GNG MarnetteD|Talk 16:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I am not willing to say either keep or delete just yet. Specially as it develops that this 2001 Taiwanese film is not unsourcable. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 04:21, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment-Well it would of been nice to know the alternate title of it in English not using Chinese characters since I couldn't find it under this name. But oh well, still seems unotable. Wgolf (talk) 04:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. Access to Taiwanese sources for this Chinese film not released in the US is difficult. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 12:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I managed to turn up these Google Book sources (The Animation Business Handbook and Historical Dictionary of Taiwan Cinema), which both make mention to a Taiwanese animated character named A-kuei. Note that this article is saying A-kuei was the film studio, not a character, and that the the Animation Business Handbook names the film studio behind the A-kuie character as Spring House Entertainment. So it's not a perfect match by any means. Still, the books also say that the A-kuei character was created for a website (Self Destruction was apparently a web film) and the ABH highlights 2001 as a notable year for the character (Self Destruction was apparently released in 2001). I don't know how common of name A-kuei is in Taiwanese, but these shared details seem too similar to write off as mere coincidence. According to the ABH, the A-kuei character inspired merchandising, appeared in advertising and even as a guest on TV shows, and was set to be the focus of a feature film. So this character actually seems fairly noteworthy; whether it has any connection to Self Destruction though, I can't say for sure. I'm inclined to think that this topic actually is notable, but sadly, between the incredible length of time that's elapsed and the language barrier, I doubt that any quality refs will turn up to display that notability. There very well may be some Chinese-language sources out there, and there might even be a few English-language sources archived in the Way Back Machine - but without knowing the original url, I'm not sure how we could locate those, even if they do in fact exist. --Jpcase (talk) 14:42, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've actually just discovered a few more refs about the A-kuei character and Spring House Entertainment (Bloomberg Business, Taiwan Info, Variety) Beyond a shadow of a doubt, this is notable and deserves its own article. But does it have any connection to Self Destruction? I still don't know. A-kuei doesn't seem to be a character in Self-Destruction and the refs clearly indicate that he is aimed at children - Self Destruction includes a "serial killer" as a character, so yeah, draw your own conclusion ;) - Still, A-kuei is a digital animated character created for a Taiwanese website; Self Destruction is a digitally animated film created for a Taiwanese website; not all of Spring House Entertainment's content includes the A-kuei character and some of it is aimed at adults. Could A-kuei Production House (the studio behind Self Destruction) be a subsidy of Spring House Entertainment? Or could Spring House have even changed its name somewhere down the line? Or maybe A-kuei Production House doesn't even exist and was just entered as an error. All possibilities. But none of them can be proven at this point. And even if Self Destruction really was produced by Spring House, there's nothing that makes it noteworthy enough for its own article. So my vote would either be Delete or Redirect to a newly created Spring House Entertainment article. Either way, I strongly support the creation of an article for Spring House Entertainment. --Jpcase (talk) 15:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:32, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This film does not meet notability guidelines - that's all that needs to be wrong with it (and there is plenty more wrong with it). There's been no shortage of time to remedy. Elephantbronze (talk) 22:47, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I've gone ahead and created a basic article for Spring House Entertainment. I have no real preference as to whether this article is redirected over there or deleted, since while it seems highly possible that there's a connection between the two of them, nothing has actually been proven to that end. --Jpcase (talk) 00:33, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does not meet the general notability guideline. --Inother (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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