Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/School of Information Sciences, Wayne State University

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep as per unanimous consensus and no calls for deletion beyond the nominator. A non-admin closure. And Adoil Descended (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

School of Information Sciences, Wayne State University

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Does not pass WP:NORG. This is basically a list of classes regurgitated from the official website, and the only independent source is a list of organizations, which does not indicate notability per WP:NORG. There are no independent sources that satisfy the criteria for notability. The ranking it lists is irrelevant. Any information deemed relevant (certainly not the course requirements) could be merged into Wayne State University, which does pass notability as a school. An individual unit of a school does not need its own article when there are no sources to support it. The article was created by an editor who lists on their userpage that they have a COI as an employee of the university. Natureium (talk) 14:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. The Wayne State University School of Information Science (WSUSIS) is a nationally-ranked graduate school (#22 nationally by the U.S. News & World Report Best Global University Ranking). The article was created a mere four days ago and should be allowed time to develop. Moreover, the nomination is based on the erroneous assumption that schools must pass WP:ORG. To the contrary, WP:ORG was recently amended to provide that it is sufficient alternative for schools to pass muster under WP:GNG. See WP:NSCHOOL. Further, WP:ORG and WP:NSCHOOLS expressly reference WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES which states: "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." Here, WSUSIS is such an independently accredited school. Cbl62 (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion has been noted on the other article about a WSU department, but people pointed out why you are incorrect. The same reasons apply here. Natureium (talk) 15:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am citing policy, not opinion. And your characterizing this as a "department" is false and fundamentally misleading. This is an independently accredited school with its own dean -- and one of the top such schools in the country. Cbl62 (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the policy points cited in the related discussion were affirmed and the article kept. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wayne State University School of Social Work. Cbl62 (talk) 16:17, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I might also ask: Is there a reason why you are singling out articles on Wayne State? There are some 50 other information science schools with Wikipedia articles, most of which have similar sourcing and many of which are not as highly ranked as Wayne. See Category:Information schools. Cbl62 (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm singling these articles out only because I came across them while patrolling at NPP. I have no beef with WSU in particular. Natureium (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It struck me as odd because the two that you selected were both nationally-ranked graduate schools at Wayne State. So I guess Wayne State College of Pharmacy, Wayne State University Law School, Wayne State University College of Engineering, Wayne State University College of Fine, Performing, and Communication Arts, and Wayne State University School of Medicine have nothing to fear? Cbl62 (talk) 16:32, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's not at all what I'm saying. I didn't go looking for these articles to delete. They were created and needed to be approved. I checked them out to approve them, and didn't find that they passed the notability guidelines. I'm not trying to make a point of deleting university articles, I'm just doing my due diligence in NPP. Natureium (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 14:36, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 14:36, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 14:36, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article might be doing an injustice to a notable subject. It's very poorly written, reads like pure promotional stuff, and contains almost only primary sources. Let's wait a few days; but, perhaps, no more than a few. -The Gnome (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that this is a notable subject and that the article was poorly written and promotional at the time it was nominated for deletion. However, the promotional content has now been removed, and the earlier copyvio edits have been excised. The article as it now stands is a reasonable starting effort (particularly for an article that is less than a week old) at providing an encyclopedic overview of one of the top information science schools in the country. Cbl62 (talk) 03:58, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on notability grounds, any concerns with the promotional nature of the article can be cleaned up without resorting to deletion. SportingFlyer talk 02:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep passes N - "poorly written" is not a reason to delete. Close this discussion and let's spend that time writing a better article. ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note. Another Wayne State AfD initiated by the same editor raises the same issues and was closed today as "Keep". See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wayne State University School of Social Work. @Natureium: Would you consider withdrawing this AfD so that it can also be closed at this time? Cbl62 (talk) 16:17, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: nationally ranked; worth keeping as a stand-alone article. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.