Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sar Cheshmeh, Khuzestan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sar Cheshmeh, Khuzestan

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I can't read the spreadsheet which seems to indicate that the place has no population, but GEONames points to a location that appears to be entirely ruined, if the aerial photography is to be believed. I'm willing to believe in a village if a census gives it a population, but according to the article, the census doesn't. I don't see how we can claim that it's a village when evidences suggests that at best it might once have been a village, maybe back in the days of Cyrus the Great. Geographic names databases are not good enough as sole sources for articles (they have too many mistakes); that and a census which apparently doesn't have a number just isn't enough. Mangoe (talk) 21:49, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 10:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 10:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. (probably),if it ever was inhabited. WP covers the past as well as the present DGG ( talk ) 21:07, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that we can't claim that it IS a village when evidence shows that, at best, it may have been a village. If someone can address the issue of what exactly the census says, that might help. But simply dumping GNIS and names from a census together isn't good enough evidence. Mangoe (talk) 01:10, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that it was certainly a village at once time, and the census data notes this and gives a name. But it's not a going concern, there is nothing there now except ruins. Prince of Thieves (talk) 22:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per DGG Chetsford (talk) 05:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It looks like we have WP:V satisfied, but I don't know what the policy is on places, so it's hard to know how to weight the various arguments made here so far. Most of them sound perilously close to WP:ILIKEIT vs. WP:IDONTLIKEIT. It would be useful to the next person who tries to close this if somebody could research our policy regarding notability of extinct towns and provide citations to the appropriate policy pages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 15:04, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: the WP:GEOLAND policy basically says all inhabited places are presumed notable, this can be coupled with guideline that notability is not temporary (WP:NTEMP). Therefore any place which was once inhabited is presumed notable. Prince of Thieves (talk) 15:48, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Prince of Thieves and DGG. SportingFlyer (talk) 07:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
comment I would be perfectly happy to have an article which could say, "Sar Cheshmeh, Khuzestan was once a village, but there are only ruins there now." The problem is that saying it "is" a village is something that everyone who is responding here admits isn't true. So the argument is that we need to keep an article whose content we know is false. I just don't see that. If someone who can read the census can tell us exactly what it's saying about this place, that would help, but that is apparently not going to happen. Mangoe (talk) 11:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The census lists it as a place, but of unknown type (town/village unspecified) and with a population of 0. Prince of Thieves (talk) 13:43, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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