Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandella's Flatbread Café

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The result was keep. Wifione _.......^{Leave a message} 04:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sandella's Flatbread Café

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:50, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Declined speedy. I could find no reliable independent sources which would indicate that this business meets the general notability criteria or the business criteria. All the hits I found were either promotional or based on press releases. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is another mess of an article, however I found several sources in major industry magazines:
- This one establishes notability - Scarpa, James (18 August 2008). "Sandella's blazes own trail, in part with high-tech kitchens". Nation's Restaurant News. Retrieved 4 August 2011.
- WP:V, can be used as a source describing its expansion - Killifer, Valerie (4 December 2009). "The fast casual gold rush". Fast Casual Magazine. Retrieved 4 August 2011.
- WP:V, can be a source for discussing its advertising programs - Elliott, Stuart (29 September 1998). "The Media Business - Advertising, Addenda". New York Times. Retrieved 4 August 2011.
--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 16:59, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, weakly. I'm slightly surprised not to see solid sources for a consumer restaurant chain, but I am not finding them. Only the "Nation's Restaurant News" cite found byh Jeremy seems to be an in-depth source, and it is in a trade publication for restaurant owners, and consists mostly of an interview with the founder; independent story, but a non-independent source. (The NYT source is a sentence announcing that it's a client for an ad agency. Fast Casual is an online trade publication; the sentence there announces that three locations have been opened in Chicago. I found lots of similar coverage at Google News, but only routine announcements of openings, franchises, or permits awarded. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note - NRN is an independent trade magazine specializing in the restaurant and foodservice industry, it is not an advertising service or publisher of press releases like Fast Casual.com is. The other two sources do not establish notability, just verifiability. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 15:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Cafe has received coverage from reliable independent sources as noted above. HeartSWild (talk) 20:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - This is an odd situation: a large (150 sites) chain restaurant, with virtually no sources that describe it. I see the one source identified above, Nation's Restaurant News, which is okay. But if that is the only source, I just dont feel that is enough to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). --Noleander (talk) 22:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I've never before heard of a restaurant chain which, on the very same web page, claims to have over 100 open locations yet only lists 21 of them (plus 19 college locations where they work with vaguely identified accounts). Furthermore, the same "locations" page provides such "addresses" for some of its restaurants as "Retail Center Location, Al-khobar, Saudi Arabia"; "College Location, Dubai, UAE"; "Office Building Lobby, Dubai, UAE"; and "Residential Shopping Center, Dubai, UAE". No street names, no telephone numbers. I can only conclude that this chain either doesn't know, or won't say, where some of its restaurants are located, and that it is not as large a chain as it claims to be. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:39, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note - The address format you claim as being problematic actually is very common in many parts of the world. Not every country follows the Western world's street name/number format. I encountered this issue with international franchises for the list of countries with Burger King franchises article. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - While it's true that restaurants in Dubai typically don't use the "123 Main Street" address format, they do usually have at least a building name or street name to enable customers to find them. But Sandella's web site doesn't even provide that information (nor a telephone number for these locations). When I see a restaurant being listed as located in "Office Building Lobby, Dubai, UAE," I tend to imagine someone having to wander from building to building in the 104°F (40°C) heat of a Dubai summer, asking at every stop whether the Sandella's is located there. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per Metropolitan90 there appears to be something fishy here. Either this isn't a chain in the normal sense, or there has been some radical organisational restructure or some of the apparent sources are misleading (or being misled). Stuartyeates (talk) 08:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Lot of sources to be found at the News link at the subject's official site. I'm reading another article at Nation's Restaurant News which describes the company's switch in equipment and reheating foods (yum!). I've applied the above sources and some new ones to the page. I'm seeing why the disparity and the description of locations is confusing (serving from kiosks fed by a central hub bakery inflates the location numbers, but that's OR by me). Is there fluffery here? Probably, but it appears there are sources, though mostly industry trade magazines and local newspaper business sections. I'll let others decide if what I've added is enough. BusterD (talk) 18:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Allowing credence to BusterD's request for responses to his/her additions, relisting this AfD. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione _.......^{Leave a message} 02:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep--the sources listed in the article satisfy WP:GNG. There's enough there for a decent neutral article about this restaurant chain. Meelar (talk) 17:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sources are there (though they need to be converted into inline citations). Richwales (talk · contribs) 02:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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