Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel A. Fryer Yavneh Hebrew Academy

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The result was redirect to Hancock_Park,_Los_Angeles#Primary_and_secondary_schools. Stifle (talk) 15:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel A. Fryer Yavneh Hebrew Academy[edit]

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Non-notable primary school (K-8). tedder (talk) 15:15, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. -- tedder (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. -- tedder (talk) 15:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. —Joe407 (talk) 20:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect (perhaps to Los_Angeles,_California#Schools_and_libraries.) Nothing indicates this primary school has any notability. (Also some promotional wording problems, not that that isn't fixable.) OSborn^arf_contribs. 15:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably worth mentioning at Hancock Park, Los Angeles, which is how I found it in the first place. tedder (talk) 15:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hancock_Park,_Los_Angeles#Primary_and_secondary_schools is probably a better target then. I only looked at what the article said. OSborn^arf_contribs. 16:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. I figured I'd steer consensus :-) tedder (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Hancock Park. Non-notable primary/middle school. A well written article, but minimally sourced and nothing to indicate unusual notability. --MelanieN (talk) 17:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There is more here than meets the eye, although I'm not yet decided if I think it's enough to support an article. The present article doesn't mention it, but this school's building is a well-known landmark in Hancock Park: it's a huge, distinctive Tudor mansion on parklike grounds along a busy street, and used to be the home of the Whittier Law School. The opening of the Yavneh generated some local political controversy[1][2], which continues, and occasionally flares up. See, for example, "A School or a Shul", Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles, March 2, 2006; "City Building & Safety inspectors briefly interrupt Kol Nidrei services at Hancock Park shul", Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles, September 24, 2007; "School gets Apology from City for Yom Kippur visit", Los Angeles Times, September 25, 2007; "Change drives tension in staid Hancock Park", Los Angeles Times, October 1, 2007. --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the details, Arxiloxos. I can't research it now, but do you know details of the building itself- year constructed, if it's on the LA or national historic lists? tedder (talk) 21:32, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about any national or regional listings (if I did, I would have already !voted "keep" ), but I dug around some more and found that the building is on the landmark list of the Windsor Square-Hancock Park Historical Society[3], and also found some sources (not all of them WP:RS) indicating that, before it was Whittier Law School, it was (after 1922) the home of a girls' school called The Cumnock School[4] and then (1947-1976) of the Art Center College of Design before it moved to Pasadena.[5]--Arxiloxos (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - A quick google search of the subject of the article nets a total of 19 results, none of which come from reliable sources; one google news search hit; and three google book search hits, none of which have the subject of this article being the primary subject of the book. If the article is to be Merged & Redirected, an appropriate article should be found. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:25, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The school is usually called "Yavneh Hebrew Academy" and that search string produces about 57 GNews hits[6]; "Yeshivat Yavneh" turns up about 16 more GNews hits[7]. Those are not huge numbers and may not change your ultimate conclusion, but, in fairness, this school does get more coverage than is typical for a lower-grade school.--Arxiloxos (talk) 15:44, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect as per our standard procedure for primary and middle schools. Notability is not inhertited. A school in the sense of the article is a place of learning. If the building is notable s a listed building, it can be mentioned but it does not add to the academic notability.Kudpung (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I believe that there is an inherent notability for schools in WP policy. Right now I told my wife I'd do dishes so I'm not going to take the time to search for it. Yes, the article is crap and filled with ad-copy language but it needs to be improved, not deleted. Arxiloxos has given us some sources and as it has been around for while I'm sure we can create a better article than "Alumni think the school kicks ass". Joe407 (talk) 09:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect to the Jewish day school article which is very skimpy. Contract this article enough to create a one paragraph entry there. IZAK (talk) 06:15, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.