Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salute (2021 film)

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The result was Draftify. Black Kite (talk) 19:26, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Salute (2021 film)

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Per WP:NFF, films that have not been publicly released yet should not have an article on it unless the production itself is notable. From searches online, and that the film started production only six days ago, it looks like the production itself is not notable. Could be wp:too soon. ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 10:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 10:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kerala-related deletion discussions. ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 10:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

• Stong Keep: Sources confirm that he movie's principal photography has begun and is expected to release by the end of this year. 'Embarrassed' Dulquer Salmaan shares poster of his new movie 'Salute'. Films, that have commenced principal photography is notbale as per WP:NFF. Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 11:13, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
• Delete: Per WP:NFF -- "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable". 'Generally' does leave room for exceptions but the burden is on explaining why this film demands one, which I just don't see. Paisarepa 00:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom and WP:NFF as above. Kolma8 (talk) 11:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Dulquer Salmaan film with Diana Penty titled ‘Salute’ Dulquer presents first look poster from upcoming film ‘Salute’ Dulquer Salmaan is surely a crowd-puller and here’s the proof | Malayalam Movie News - Times of India these sources confirms this movie's production itself is notable. The movies production began on 3 February as per the sources. I still dont get the point why this movie's production is not notable. We have an article for the movie Spider-Man: No Way Home which is also under production and will release on December, around the same time this movie is also expected to release. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 15:05, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
  • I think applying wp:general notability guideline here might help.
    • The article writes about the upcoming film and the casts, but the part slightly related to the production is only mentioned in the last sentence. This might be of typical coverage expected from announcements of films instead of the production itself.
    • Similar to above.
    • The video seems to be about one of members of the cast.
  • wp:Significant coverage is the major issue here.
  • For Spider-Man: No Way Home, it looks like a bad application of wp:other stuff exists since the prerequisite of using this argument is that their qualities are similar, which does not seem to be the case here. Even successfully applying this argument may not always make a sound argument. ~ Aseleste (t, c, l) 16:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
    • Comment:Aseleste, WP:NFF clearly says that sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun. All the sources I provided clearly confirms that the production of movie has begun. If you want more sources to prove its production has begun, have a look at this one 'സെറ്റിന് ജീവൻ നൽകുന്നത് മനോജേട്ടനാണ്'; 'സല്യൂട്ട്' സെറ്റിൽ നിന്നും ഡിക്യുവിന്‍റെ പിറന്നാളാശംസ Though it is mainly covering about something else, it confirms the movie's production has begun. Because see this traslation from the source;The two are currently in shooting at the location of the Roshan Andrews movie Salute. The movie is also getting this much coverage because it is one of the most celebrated upcoming movie in Malayalam and plenty of sources confirms that. Still I dont know the reason of you saying wp:Significant coverage is the issue here. I only showed some sourcea. Here are some more സ്റ്റൈലൻ പോലീസിന്റെ റോയൽ എൻഫീൽഡുമായി ദുൽഖർ സൽമാൻ Dulquer Salmaan-Rosshan Andrrews film ‘Salute’ to go on floors Dulquer Salmaan transforms into a cop in Salute first look; Malayalam action flick to also star Diana Penty - Entertainment News , Firstpost. More sources still exist there there. I recommend you to just search as Salute Malayalam movie or സല്യൂട്ട് (in malayalam). You will get more. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 17:03, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

      I have not disputed that the principal photography has started. The thing I have been focusing on is the notability of the production itself as mentioned in WP:NFF. I will now go look for more sources as you have suggested. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 08:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

      Dumping news search results here. The results are produced by searching the suggested two phrases by Kashmorwiki, filtered within the last two weeks. About 25 irrelevant results are also filtered (quite convenient that the URL for most non-English sources contains the title in English). Some results may be irrelevant, especially in non-English sources.

      English sources

      1. Summary: About the poster and the crew.
      2. Summary: About the poster.
      3. Summary: About the announcement of the film, the creww, and the director's other projects.
      4. Summary: Annoucement of the film, and an unrelated film and its plot.
      5. Summary: Announcement of the film, the poster, and the crew.
      6. Summary: Annoucement of the film and some crews.
      7. Summary: The crew.
      8. Summary: Leaked plot.
      9. Summary: Birthday of a crew.
      10. Summary: I think this is basically irrelevant to the movie.
      11. Summary: Very short paragraph.
      12. Summary: Passing mention.
      13. Summary: I think this is irrelevant, missed filter.

      Non-English sources

      ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

      Doing... analysis of the sources above, might take some time. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

       Done. Non-English sources are not analyzed to not mis-summarize them due to machine translation. However, the English title in the URLs, if available, may help here. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

      For me, the English results look too similar to each other, so the coverage has large overlaps. Overall, the production itself (not the announcement of production) is not covered that much beyond the crew involved in it. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 13:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

      Comment: I agree that the production is not covered that much beyond. But it proves the production has begun right? Thats the point im stressing. The following is fully copied from WP:NFF Sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun.Most of the sources confirms this. Aseleste, please reply to this. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 15:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

      Yes. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 17:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

      I think you're misunderstanding WP:NFF; you need to read all three paragraphs and not just the first. To be considered notable, production must have begun AND production itself must be notable. What Aseleste has shown and you have agreed with is that production itself is not notable; therefore the film does not meet NFF. Paisarepa

References

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A bit more evaluation of Kichu's sources would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Go Phightins! 11:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The ref-bombing is just noise. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 11:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Per the last relist comments.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 05:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

• Draftify, per the likelihood of new sources arising over the course of the usual draftification period. The article can continue to be developed in that state. BD2412 T 20:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

  Draftify is a very reasonable WP:ATD here, I think. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 02:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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