Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sakala (academic corporation)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete hopefully those calling for keep/cleanup will do that cleanup. W.marsh 23:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Sakala (academic corporation)

Advert for an Estonian 'academic fraternal organisation'. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but it doesn't seem to be on the same level of significance as those American fraternities. Google hits are mostly in Estonian, but even getting past that I didn't see anything that looked like an independent source. A Google for the name of the organisation and the name of the article's creator implies that the article was not created by an outside party. [1] Delete as non-notable group of people (though probably too big to be covered by the speedy criterion). --Malthusian (talk) 12:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Definitely non-notable, and it reads like an advertisement. --Kinu 18:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Also, it's a potential WP:Copyvio, as the text is lifted directly from the site. --Kinu 19:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• This is not an advertisement. O.K. 18:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• "We are proud to be one of the strongest and prosperous fraternities in Estonia... You are always welcome in Sakala’s convent when visiting Tartu. We are especially looking forward to seeing you there in May 2006, when the 43rd BRK/BTK/GVBK is going to be organized by Sakala." --Malthusian (talk) 19:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and cleanup: it seems to be a studentenverbindung of the German type (common in the Baltic universities as well), which is no less notable than an American fraternity. It was founded in 1909, nearly a century ago, which is not awfully impressive but quite respectable. It has kept itself alive in exile and re-established itself after the fall of communism in its old house in Tartu, a building designed by the notable Finnish architect Armas Lindgren (he has no article here yet, but he was for some years in partnership with Eliel Saarinen, who is familiar to Americans). If you see past the non-encyclopedic style, you'll find that there is enough cumulative notability here. u p p l a n d 18:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I agree with Uppland. Hopefully this will be cleaned up. Eusebeus 19:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The trouble with cleaning it up is that it would mean either removing most of the text or finding a reliable source for it, and the latter would seem to require a knowledge of Estonian. We're not just talking changing the first person into the third here. Anyone actually planning to do this? --Malthusian (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 00:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.