Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saidullah Karimi

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saidullah Karimi

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Proposed for notability; there are a set of personsal-interest stories from 2021 about Karimi building a robot from waste, covered in the New York Times and elsewhere. Elsewhere, there's worthy work on prostheses and a case study of a migrant's experience, but the biography doesn't seem to reach WP:BIO. Klbrain (talk) 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Medicine, Technology, Afghanistan, and Greece. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – here's a source table based on the current sources, as of the AfD nomination date.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://taz.de/Neuanfang-von-Fluechtlingen-in-Athen/!5423033/		Seems so	About the family as a whole, and Saidulla is essentially just quoted	✘ No
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/world/europe/afghanistan-refugee-hope.html		Paper of record	Complete profile of Saidullah Karimi	✔ Yes
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/afghan-inspires-other-refugees-with-mini-robot-creation-in-greece/2410300	~ A good chunk of it is quoted.	Seems so		~ Partial
https://me.mashable.com/tech-1/14941/afghan-refugee-creates-robot-from-recycled-waste-using-war-time-experience		~ WP:MASHABLE		~ Partial
https://greece.iom.int/stories/story-karimi-saidullah-who-experienced-technician-hobby-robotics	? I think this is a refugee organization			? Unknown
https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2021-10/flucht-afghanistan-saidullah-karimi-athen-griechenland-arbeit-roboterbau	Only partially using quotes	Paper of record		✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

TLA^tlak 01:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Not a slam dunk, but we have two decent sources. And this from a Turkish news agency was the only other coverage I could find [1], unsure if it's a RS. Oaktree b (talk) 02:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Most of the sources are churnalism. The NYT article is dated August 29, 2021 which was then followed by Mashable (a weakish source) and Die Zeit (which mentions the NYT article). Has there been any coverage about him since 2021? Otherwise, I think this fails WP:SUSTAINED. S0091 (talk) 20:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose the Mashable seems to be. But the Die Zeit actually has substantially more content than the NYT article and only mentions it in the context of media coverage of Karimi's work: Mr. Karimi's emancipatory act has now brought the press right into his living room. The New York Times came specially and the television was there, the Sky channel or the Greek state television ERT.

It's probably also important to note that there was coverage in Afghan publications before NYT. TLA^tlak 05:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first three are about word for word the same article (two are the exact same) with two dated 11/02/2021 and one 11/03/2021, all after the NYT piece. They are also all interviews will little independent coverage (not based on what he says). Both the Anadolu Agency (3rd one) and the Taz article (4th one) are already in the source assessment (1st and 3rd). S0091 (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I read the date wrong. Anyways, I maintain the position that the NYT and Zeit De articles generally cover WP:BLP, though not strong. TLA^tlak 23:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: after reviewing the available sources, it appears that the subject meets the criteria for notability more clearly than it falls short of them. --149.172.122.230 (talk) 10:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and S0091, no sustained coverage. Tehonk (talk) 02:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: all the SIRS sources are presented in the context of the robot; failing WP:BLP1E. Queen of Hearts talk
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stalk 07:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per WP:SUSTAINED and WP:BLP1E. S0091 (talk) 16:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. NYC Guru (talk) 09:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:TOOSOON, while I would add that future review of this discussion at a later date when notability is established is that notability is like a ratchet, we just don't have it here. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 15:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and reopen when Athena is formally unveiled. I have no doubt in my mind that an ingenious invention such as the robot will provide media coverage, awards, and resulting notability. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 18:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since subject fails WP:GNG despite the tsunami of citations, which are simply a bunch of irrelevancies. The only relatable reference is here, from Die Tageszeitung, about the Karimi family emigrating to Greece, part of the series "New beginnings for refugees in Athens." An admirable effort but Wikipedia is not a collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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