Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SW19

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The result was redirect to SW postcode area#SW19. Star Mississippi 01:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SW19

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Unnecessary disambiguation page. None of the articles has a title "SW19". The given source - incorrect on a disambiguation page - refers to the location, not to the tournament. The Banner talk 21:45, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Nominator probably unaware that tennis competition is sometimes called SW19:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1147243/Where-is-Wimbledon-why-is-it-called-SW19-reason-explained
https://www.chaseyoursport.com/Tennis/Why-is-Wimbledon-Championships-Also-Known-as-SW19/1027
https://www.essentiallysports.com/why-is-wimbledon-championships-called-sw19/

Anticipating objections, indeed these sources are not good enough for notability, but please note that is not the test for a disambig page. CT55555 (talk) 22:39, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source from BBC referring to it as "SW19" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/tennis/40545727 from Talk:SW19. 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 23:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC source does not directly confirm that SW19 is a synonym for the Wimbledon championships. SpinningSpark 17:22, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment instead of deletion, it should be redirected to SW postcode area as it was originally. 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 23:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; as per CT5555, SW19 is commonly used through metonymy for Wimbledon, much like Flushing Meadows is for the U.S. Open and Roland Garros for the French. Iseult^Δxparlez moi 00:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment But Flushing Meadow doesn't lead to a tennis tournament. (Roland Garros is a dab page). PamD 18:47, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; I changed the article from a redirect to a dab page, since most readers will probably be looking for the tennis tournament. Vpab15 (talk) 07:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- And that is why you are removing all links to the postal code out of articles about the tournament? The Banner talk 09:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Those links used to redirect to SW postcode area, which doesn't seem very relevant for a tennis article. That's why I removed them. Vpab15 (talk) 09:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Vpab15: Those links should have been changed to continue to point to the postcode area, when you created a dab page over the redirect at SW19. If it was relevant to link from the address previously (and picking 1952 as a random example, that address with linked SW19 was added 10 years ago), it is still relevant. If you create a dab page over a redirect, it is your responsibility to clean up after yourself by fixing the links which were previously specific and now point to that new dab page, and unlinking them is not a good solution. PamD 12:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think a list of London postcodes is not a particularly useful link for a tennis article. There is already a link to Wimbledon, which is more relevant. Having said that, feel free to re-add the links. Vpab15 (talk) 12:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~, Revert to redirect. If kept, modify to meet WP:MOSDAB. I suggest:

SW19 may refer to:

A postcode in London's SW postcode area, including Wimbledon
Wimbledon Championships, a Grand Slam tennis tournament that takes place in SW19

(ie We include a comment which will be seen by editors but not readers, referring them to a note on the talk page which gives the reference cited, possibly others, and refers to this discussion/decision. Too much time has been wasted over the years on this helpful small dab page. PamD 08:00, 13 July 2022 (UTC) Changed, PamD 18:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PamD: To make this dab compliant, "SW19" needs to be mentioned in the target article (which it currently isn't for the tennis) and the reference should be at that mention, not on a dab talk page. Dab pages do not have references for the reason that they should not be saying anything that is not in the articles. Slightly off topic, the ref given makes a huge meal of a very simple explanation and probably isn't RS.Spinning Spark 17:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was proposing a slightly WP:IAR solution, having had the mistaken impression that this redirect/dab had been the subject of discussion off and on for ages - but I now see it's only a very recent conversion to a dab page by one editor. Quite happy for it to revert to the redirect to the postal area, and for the many links (one in address of every champsionship) which have been removed to all be reinstated. PamD 18:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To make this dab compliant, "SW19" needs to be mentioned in the target article. Is that so? There is a list of cities at Big Smoke, and their pages don't mention that nickname as far as I could see. Vpab15 (talk) 20:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Revert to redirect. The meaning of SW19 is a postcode. The SW19 metonymy for the championship also refers to the postcode (and I'm not so sure that it doesn't mean the AELTCC generally). The tennis meaning can be added to the SW19 entry at SW postcode area or else dealt with by a hatnote. SpinningSpark 17:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Revert to redirect to "SW postcode area". And SW postcode area now has a sentence explaining this. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding the section at SW postcode area#SW19. I am ok with redirecting to that section. It gives the reader the info and link to the tennis tournament. Vpab15 (talk) 21:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is an elegant solution. I did vote to keep, but won't lose sleep if this is the outcome. CT55555 (talk) 21:52, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.