Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SNiPER (Anthony Melas)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 20:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SNiPER (Anthony Melas)[edit]

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This artist is an ex-member of the So Solid Crew who has embarked on a solo career, but it looks like it is too soon for us to have an article on him. There are sources that mention him, but they are almost all of his time in the So Solid Crew; the only mention of his solo career I could find was a magazine mentioned in the references that appears to correspond to this link. I don't think this is enough to satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. Also, though I did redirect this to So Solid Crew originally, the title looks too long to be a plausible redirect. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 14:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I DO NOT AGREE '“The Wikipedia deletion policy describes how pages that do not meet the relevant criteria for content of the encyclopedia are identified and removed from Wikipedia”' “If in doubt as to whether there is consensus to delete a page, administrators will normally not delete it.”

Criteria are as follows

Content that meets at least one of the criteria for speedy deletion
Copyright violations and other material violating Wikipedia's non-free content criteria
Vandalism, including inflammatory redirects, pages that exist only to disparage their subject, patent nonsense, or gibberish
Advertising or other spam without relevant content (but not an article about an advertising-related subject)
Content forks (unless a merger or redirect is appropriate)
Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and articles that are themselves hoaxes (but not articles describing notable hoaxes)
Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed
Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP and so forth)

Patent nonsense, test pages, vandalism, created purely for discussion purposes, advertising or promoting, attack page or copy write. None of these apply to Anthony Melas’ Wiki page.

'Notability guideline WP:N- “Article and list topics must be notable, or "worthy of notice". Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or popularity”'

“A topic is also presumed notable if it meets the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline” Subject- specific guidelines:

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“Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article.”

The article written about Anthony Melas is worthy of notice a merge of a number of topics including Music, films, Events and people and numbers.

'General notability guideline' If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list.

"Significant coverage"

"Reliable" -

"Sources"

"Independent of the subject"

He is most definitely the subject of the article it is a biography of him not others that are mentioned along the way. The people that are mentioned are merely associates and friends that are part of his growth as an artist and a person. You cannot write a story without mentioning other characters. Examples of this are “In The Cyprus Weekly interview from September 2003 Haji Mike wrote that “He is the first producer based in Cyprus to crack the UK charts in such a big way” He has also been interviewed by RWD Magazine in September 2011 and these have been referenced in the article.

As a solo artist and director of the Melas Group he has recieved Gold Certified Sales Award In The Republic Of Cyprus, SNiPER accepted the Black N' White award of most original genre specific venue organised by STOLI Vodka. In 2009 his single ‘Dat Body’ reached number 1 in the amazon download charts and also top 10 in the HMV UK chart. These are all reliable sources.

Wiki states that:

“If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion. Vandalism to a page's content can be reverted by any user.” And also“Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases. “I feel that by looking at the criteria for deletion the page doesn’t meet the criteria set. Any disputes can be resolved by simply editing the article. The article has been written by a secondary source and has avoided understatement and overstatement. The article is “presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone”.I would actually like to hear more about this artist as the content is quite brief! He has done a lot in his short life and the youth of today should read articles like this and aspire to make something of their lives rather than taking drugs and turning to crime.

By Kellie-Marie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.43.205 (talk) 18:55, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot to digest in that post, Kellie-Marie, but most of it is copied from our policies. There's material in the article that simply isn't notable enough to bear mention - for instance, the BBC references don't seem to talk about the subject at all. I removed the subject's own website as a reference, since it's not neutral. I don't know that the Stoli award shows anything, as - per [1] - it's a fan-voted award. Nor can I find news coverage of the award. Sources that talk about the subject's single and how it hit the charts would be helpful. At the moment, there's information in the article that does not appear to have come from any available source - the introduction and history section, primarily - and that's what leads some to believe that the article is promotional in tone. It reads like something the artist or a fan might have written, and that violates our requirement that articles be Neutral in tone. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 21:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a section header, above, as it was breaking formatting at the AFD log and elsewhere. I left the text, bold and intact. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 21:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:26, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as per my comments above - notability hasn't been demonstrated, yet. I agree with the nominator, though - this may be a case of TOOSOON as opposed to NOTEVER. The Usual Caveats apply, as well; if the one single that charted in Cyprus is insufficient, then a future single that breaks bigger may tip the balance. In that event, an article may be warranted. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 21:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.