Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryo Miyaichi

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:53, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ryo Miyaichi[edit]

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Contested PROD; non-notable youth player who fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 15:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 15:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
fixed the article. He signed a professional contract with Arsenal. 59.178.173.78 (talk) 17:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But he hasn't played a game for them yet...Giant Snowman 17:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Having signed for one of the world's largest clubs from a distant continent, I think he should be considered notable. The obscurity of the player increases the interest in him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.207.187 (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALL of the coverage is purely about his transfer to Arsenal, violating WP:NTEMP. Giant Snowman 19:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not voting on this as I think it is well written if premature. What I wanted to say was that Rio has similarities to Qu Bo who started his career signing at Real Madrid considering he came from China. That I believe is has similarities to the basis for 59.178.173.78's rationale for keep. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk)

Um, if we decipher the contradictory information in the Qu Bo article, he joined Real Madrid in 2006 - at the age of 25 and with half-a-decade of both professional and international experience behind him. Compare that with Miyaichi, who still plays for his High School, and we can very clearly see that these two cases are not the same. Giant Snowman 19:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree with the claim that it's premature. He'll obviously deserve a page at some point, but there are people who have actually played for the reserve teams at Arsenal and other big clubs who haven't warranted a page. His Japanese origin isn't enough to warrant a page. There have been plenty of Japanese stars recently... Nakamura, Honda, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrePeltier (talk • contribs) 00:40, 19 December 2010
Keep - player meets all notability requirements, having been featured extensively across both the Japanese media and international news organizations such as the Guardian, L'Equipe, CNN and several others. He is the most heralded young player of his generation in Japan, and the great amount of media reports that have followed his signing for Arsenal reflect this. ···巌流^{? · talk to ganryuu} 03:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please read WP:NTEMP and WP:BLP1E - routine sports transfer coverage and being 'famous' for a transfer move to Arsenal do NOT give notability. Giant Snowman 14:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This does not change the fact that he has been featured regularly in media publications, which fall outside of "routine sports transfer coverage", throughout the entire year, both in Japan and elsewhere. He is already the most noted young player of his age in Japan, being featured on NHK and other channels, and that has been the case for quite a while. All of this therefore does indeed grant him notability, whether you wish to ignore it or not or whatever your flawed perceptions of notability remain. ···巌流^{? · talk to ganryuu} 21:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...and where exactly is this coverage in the article? Notability has not been demonstrated beyond the run-of-the-mill coverage that all young players get nowadays. Giant Snowman 21:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Premature article about a young footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. The article is reasonably well written however, and considering there's a good chance of him meeting the criteria at some point in the future it may be worth incubating/userfying the content so it can be restored at a later date. J Mo 101 (talk) 15:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Hasn't played a game at the required level yet. Him being from Japan and signing for Arsenal should be no different than if he came from Croydon and signed for Crystal Palace- he has not met the basic requirement of having played pro-football at the necessary level.--Egghead06 (talk) 17:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I agree that he doesn't meet the criteria of NFOOTY. But let's make sure we understand one of the fundamentals of the WP:ATHLETE criteria; it is not that they establish whether someone is notable or not, but whether someone can be presumed to be notable or it can be presumed that not enough reliable sources exist to satisfy the GNG. Someone who satisfies the GNG is notable whether or not he topped out with a 5-minute substitute stint in Conference North. So the question is this: if he's indeed received substantive nationwide press in Japan, then he passes the GNG. If no such sources exist, then he neither passes the GNG nor meets the NFOOTY criteria. Ravenswing 22:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Japanese page has coverage in the Japanese sports press going back to 2006, with coverage in the nationwide press in 2010. Francis Bond (talk) 07:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But this is the English-language article we are discussing...Giant Snowman 12:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

English language sources are preferred but not required: see WP:V. Ravenswing 17:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - like others have said, he fails WP:ATHLETE. Also, I'm not convinced the sources provided make the player notable. They just appear to be run-of-the-mill sports journalism which (according to WP:NTEMP) is not enough. It could also be said that because the only thing making him even remotely famous is his transfer to Arsenal, this would come under WP:BIO1E, just like every other "hot new talent" that signs for a pro club before failing to get beyond the youth or reserve teams. Bettia (talk) 10:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Media coverage has not only been about him being linked with Arsenal and his subsequent signing of a professional contract. He has also been linked with Real Madrid, Milan and Ajax and has featured in the relevant countries' media for a period of time. ~Chemicalrubber (talk) 12:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Enough coverage to warrant article. Zarcadia (talk) 12:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Maybe this player isn't noteworthy at this moment in time but he almost definitely will be. If it does get deleted, theres a 99% chance there'll another entry made of him in the future when he has made his mark at Arsenal. Why delete an article when it's only going to be rewritten in the future. Antimatter31 (talk) 21:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That violates WP:CRYSTAL - what if he gets badly injured and never plays a game? Giant Snowman 22:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, maybe. However, it could be said that he is noteworthy simply of being a future player at Arsenal and he is almost certain to play. Whether he will or not time will tell, but it would be very unlucky for him if he didn't. Antimatter31 (talk) 12:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - to all those editors voting "keep". There are currently eight references on the article - two bog-standard player profiles, and six near-identical (they probably all came from the same news agency) basic reports about his transfer. Can you honestly say that this is the "significant coverage" that our notability guidelines require? Giant Snowman 03:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. I've only heard of this person because he signed for Arsenal recently, which does not warrant an article. Dozens of young players are signed by this club every year and don't have articles. Miyaichi is no different. Argyle 4 Life^talk 14:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy if anybody wants it, otherwise delete. Nicely written but the coverage clearly isn't enough to establish notability even by my lower-than-average standards, and he fails WP:NSPORT at present too. Alzarian16 (talk) 20:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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