Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Skipper

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The result was no consensus. v/r - T P 00:48, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Skipper

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I was trying to get input about this article on the Talk page but it was going uncommented on. So I bring it here to the community. I don't think the article meets WP:N as I don't see what makes this particular hate crime notable. chris †ianrocker90 02:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided pending further discussion Well, many of the current sources speak of trial-related events, which would not meet the guidelines of notability for crime victims because they do not emphasize the role of the victim and are not persistent. There is some local coverage of a family member speaking at a Gay-Pride Event, and a Day of Silence campaign in 2008 with a few mentions of Skipper as inspiration but I'm not convinced these are sufficient on their own. However, I think the documentary and the fact that it was screened at a local Tampa film festival is notable and suggests persistent coverage. I haven't decided what I want to do about this one, but I will give a final opinion after more discussion. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - seems to not failing WP:N actually. Some local coverage.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Does not appear to meet the criteria here. I'm from the same side of FL and I've never heard of this. Gamaliel (talk) 22:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So am I, I haven't heard either. chris †ianrocker90 23:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The event gained coverage that was not directly at the time of the crime and the trial - here in the St. Petersburg Times, this in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, this in WJHG news, this in the Ledger about the film, for example - there's more, too. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok he's notable locally, but what about from a larger perspective, what notability is there there? chris †ianrocker90 18:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

An event doesn't have to pass every criterion of WP:EVENT to be notable. As well, AfDs for terror incidents usually close as keep, as a matter of course; consensus appears to be that they are notable. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant is his death notable on a national or even international scale? So far I only see he's notable in the Tampa Bay Area. chris †ianrocker90 19:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, an event doesn't have to pass every criterion of WP:EVENT to be notable. Geographically broad coverage is one criterion. Persistent coverage is another. This has persistent coverage. Quite honestly, I would love to tighten the notability guidelines and apply NOTNEWS more stringently, but this is notable according to current notability guidelines and according to the common outcome of keeping articles on terror attacks. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. In my opinion, an event of this nature (which is relatively commonplace) does need to pass the WP:GEOSCOPE section of WP:EVENT. Unfortunately, it receives no significant coverage outside of a small region in Florida. Location (talk) 21:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think, if it is possible, that the image on the article should be added to this AfD as if the article is deleted then the image has no use. chris †ianrocker90 17:39, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Can't be done here, but it can be done here. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} 18:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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