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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Primeval. Redirect to Primeval. It IS a red flag when next to nothing in the references addresses the subject. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ruth Kearney[edit]

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Have next to no reliable sources about her. I have found 1 article [1] but other than that, nothing. Other sources are just about her dating Theo James. Fails WP:GNG LADY LOTUS • TALK 14:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Can that be backed by WP:RS? LADY LOTUS • TALK 19:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A TV show is media in its own right and thus a source in its own right. It doesn't need further written sources to back up its content. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But when it comes to a BLP, everything needs to be sourced, you can't just rely on the series wikipedia article. LADY LOTUS • TALK 20:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not relying on the article. I'm relying on the series, which as I said is a source in and of itself! Do you actually think there's any difference in reliability between the broadcast credits of the series saying Ruth Kearney played Jess Parker and a written source saying she played Jess Parker? Of course there isn't. They're both reliable and acceptable sources. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • As NACTOR states (bolding mine), "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows ..." Clarityfiend (talk) 05:38, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails the multi roles rule, and no indication she has a cult following or other things that might allow for an exception to that rule.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Ruth is an Irish actress with a wide variety of roles. Fans need a place to come learn more about her.
  • Keep Meets the GNG. That her wiki-page averages 150 pageviews per day suggests there is a following. She has done multiple roles, namely Primeval and Covert Affairs. In-depth independent multiple coverage of her here and here plus numerous mentions of her dating Hollywood hearthrob Theo James.---Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the sources you added weren't reliable plus the 4 sources you posted were strictly about her dating Theo James. Plus her 1 episode in Covert Affairs isn't significant. LADY LOTUS • TALK 17:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Closing admin, please note that the nominator removed numerous sources against the policy WP:DONOTDEMOLISH. That Ruth Kearney dated star Theo James for five years which shows Ruth staying in the eye of tabloids.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And I just told you why I removed them as they are not reliable sources. And her dating Theo James does not make her notable. Notability is not WP:INHERITED LADY LOTUS • TALK 18:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. Associations between people can be important; would Barbara Bush be notable, if not married to George H. W. Bush? A subject's friends, family, spouses, partners, and so forth can have a powerful impact on whether a person becomes notable. That Ruth Kearney dated a star who has become quite famous is, like it or not, part of RK's notability. It means her name will come up more with talent agents, reporters, and she will get more roles and attention as a result, not only in magazines and by fans, but by movie directors, TV casting agents, etc.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Primeval or Delete due to lack of independent notability. WP:WAX (What about X) also is an argument to avoid for AFD's as the notability of one subject cannot be solely used to determine the notability of another subject. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 02:01, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Delete and redirect to Primeval Did an extensive search for sources. There is no notability so does not meet WP:GNG. Had one notable relationship not WP:Inherited. Had a single notable role. The very fact this article is just 2 sentences containing those two facts means I have no hesitation in leaning delete SPACKlick (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Ruth Kearney will be recurring in US show Tyrant and played a major character in Primeval. My concern is that the Delete requests for her page have been made due to the hate she has been getting due to her aforementioned relationship with Theo James. There are a faction of "Sheo" fans who would like nothing more than to see all traces of Ruth and her relationship with TJ erased from the Internet. To delete her page purely for reasons relating to her relationship is reminiscent of cyber-bullying and should not be tolerated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.110.254 (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As well as starring as Jess Parker in Primeval for two seasons - a main character for those two seasons - Ruth Kearney has also starred in Jet Stream, a made for TV movie, and One Day, a short-film adaption of the novel of the same name. She has an upcoming role as Katharina in FX's Tyrant as well. Smaller roles include two episodes of Holby City, a popular UK medical drama and is credited in the film Fast Freddie, The Waitress And Me as being The Waitress. These are alongside her numerous theatre roles and her background as a Bristol Old Vic graduate. details listed here — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexaP-83 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The fact that this has even been flagged as a page to be deleted shows how far some people are willing to go to try and indulge in their fantasies that Ruth Kearney does not exist so that their idols are free to be together. Whether the OP is aware of that or part of that movement, I cannot say and will assume for arguments sake that s/he is not. I will, however, ask the Wiki Admin who reviews this to acknowledge that there is currently a pointless hate campaign being waged against this actress that may or may not be linked to this request. Ruth Kearney deserves to keep her wikipedia page. She not only played the fan-favourite role of Jess Parker in hit ITV and BBC America show Primeval, she has played the role of female lead in 2013 film Jet Stream and will be guest starring in FX's Tyrant in 2014. Connection wise, she is dating actor Theo James and is the sister of Fashion Stylist Mary-Anna Kearney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.68.70.117 (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • The reviewing admin does not do conspiracy theories. Please leave this kind of diatribe for your MySpace. Drmies (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Irish Actress Ruth Kearney has appeared in a number of television shows and movies including Jet Stream in 2013 as well as 2 seasons of Primeval for which she and the show have a cult following. She is currently working on the highly-publicized FX network show, Tyrant, on which she will have a recurring role. She can be seen talking about Primeval here: [1] She was also recently in a commercial for HSBC Bank which can be found here: [2] Her IMDB lists a dozen credits as an actress and her agent's website also lists these projects. It can be found here: [3] Ruth continues to have a cult following as evidenced by blogs such as this: [4] and this: [5] Photographs of Ruth attending Comic Con 2011 in San Deigo were featured on Zimbio. [6] Sources proving Ruth's role in Jet Stream: [7] [8] While dating a popular actor might not qualify Ruth Kearney for a Wikipedia page, surely it does not warrant deleting her page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mel7190 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep She is an up-and-coming actress. She should have information available for the roles she has already played and for information on future roles she will receive. If the argument is that her entry should be deleted simply because she has not had many notable roles so far, then why aren't other actors who have not had many notable roles (such as her co-star in Primeval, Ben Mansfield) having their Wikipedia entries up for discussion for deletion? It seems to me, as noted above, that this is stemming from a vendetta of a small faction of people who dislike her simply because of whom she may or may not be involved with romantically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2:380:2f5:98ec:2860:ec6c:87a5 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep She is a young actress who can be seen in multiple projects, including guest spots on TV series (including Covert Affairs and this summer's Tyrant) and a leading role in the UK series Primeval. I can't see that there is any logical reason to delete her page when she has as many credits to her name as many other young actors. Sadly, I agree with the other posters who have pointed out the ill will towards her because of her private life. That is certainly not a valid reason to delete her page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.227.203.204 (talk) 03:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through the links listed, I'm sorry to say that they don't add to notability- Zimbio is not reliable, I'm skeptical about "Radio Times", YouTube and Tumblr are not accepted as valid sources, Amazon can't really be used for anything other than release dates of products. I'm also seeing WP:ILIKEIT arguments, which frankly aren't convincing. We're not trying to "deny" or "erase" her existence by listing her article at AFD. What we would need is reliable third-party refs giving significant coverage, and she has not received much coverage from reliable third-party sources. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 03:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm new to this & not sure what reliable, third-party sources would be. Zimbio is essentially a photo warehouse, but can't be relied on to say who & where? The you tube is posted by the bank whose commercial she appeared in & the tumblr where posted simply to show she has a cult following even several years after Primeval ended. Her agency posted an announcement of her current work in Tyrant which is airing in the next few weeks on their website & tweeted about it. This is reliable IMO, but not 3rd party. Primeval was pretty popular outside of the USA & still has a following as does Ruth as evidenced by her fans that showed up her as well as a number of websites & blogs. She's a young, working actress.
The tumblr links can't be used because those particular ones are fanpages. Fansites/fanpages are not considered reliable. If it was her own tumblr, it could be deemed reliable but would be a primary source. Primary sources (including interviews) can be used in articles but do not add to notability. Family and friends are not primary sources, but aren't third-party. A third-party ref (in case I wasn't specific enough) is a ref not closely affiliated with subject. For example, sources like Entertainment Weekly or CBS News giving news reports on a person would constitute third-party coverage. I'm not entirely sure why YouTube is generally rejected, but a video clip of a commercial is not exactly coverage on a person. So far, she hasn't got much third-party coverage. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 15:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Not notable yet. The amount of SPA and London area based IPs is suspicious, Even the last offering of a RS in the article is who is theos gf, which was the source for her DOB???? And doesnt mention anything other than her age? Not seeing very much here. Murry1975 (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would think it normal for an actress from a hit UK show to have fans in the London area.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMx0ibrn6k
  2. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh52Br8sv2Q
  3. ^ http://daamanagement.co.uk/clients_detail.asp?id=347
  4. ^ http://fuckyeahruthkearney.tumblr.com/
  5. ^ http://ruthkearneyworld.tumblr.com/
  6. ^ http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Ruth+Kearney/SyFy+E+Comic+Con+Party+Arrivals/sDlDdaETf1j
  7. ^ http://www.radiotimes.com/film/cmnx8x/jet-stream
  8. ^ http://www.amazon.com/Jet-Stream/dp/B00K2D8RR8
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