Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rufus Scrimgeour

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep to discuss a possible merge to Minor Harry Potter characters. This discussion is overwhelmingly now one between merge and keep, which is a purely editorial decision that should properly be on the talk page. Daniel Case 04:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rufus Scrimgeour

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More Harry Potter cruft that needs to go. Rufus Scrimgeour isn't even a very important character in the books, and certainly falls short of the multiple sources of real-world coverage standard that Wikipedia holds so highly. The present article is simply a rehashing of the plot of books 6 and 7, along with two sentences about who might play him in one of the movies. Given that the character has died, it is also incredibly unlikely that his character would be expanded upon in the also unlikely event another book is written. Natalie 21:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters, insufficient real-world impact. --Eyrian 21:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I guess that every character (that are shown) should at least be in a sub-section of an article. Merge per Eyrian.--JForget 23:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Of the current slew of Potter character AfDs, this is the one that has the strongest claim to a page of his own. Scrimgeour is as important a character as his predecessor Cornelius Fudge, and plays a fairly important role in the last two books. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep* He is a notable enough fictional character to have his own, the article is strong enough to stand alone. —EdWood
Delete failing WP:NOTE - This fictional character must have "significant coverage from independent sources" - Trivial mentions dont count for notability. A transwiki to the harry potter wiki wouldn't be bad either. Corpx 02:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is notable? Then what secondary sources took note of him? Merge this back to Minor Harry Potter characters. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if secondary sources found, otherwise merge with the Ministry of Magic. Capitalistroadster 02:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters, per my comment on Gellert Grindelwald. Espresso Addict 03:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters. If we keep giving everyone who got a passing comment in the Harry Potter books their own page, we might as well turn this into a Harry Potter wiki. Scrimgeour was such a minor character in the end, and can almost certainly be relegated to Minor Harry Potter characters and no one will miss him! Vaguely 05:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rewrite and Keep as it seems that a good reworking of this article would give it more reliability.Ravenmasterq 06:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Minor Ministry officials in Harry Potter as opposed to Minor Harry Potter characters. Although he isn't really a minor ministry official... AbA 07:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He plays a major role in series and is extremely notable. →evin290 09:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters with a link from Ministry of Magic. I think Pius Thicknesse merits the same. Milkfish 14:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - not a minor character. The article includes secondary and independent source discussion and thus qualifies for notability. Auror 15:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources? Corpx 15:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References no. 3 & 4. Auror 15:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those sources are about Bill Nighy, and thus establish the notability of Bill Nighy. They do not establish the notability of this character. Natalie 15:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Source 3 doesnt mention this character at all and source 4 is a trivial mention (WP:NOTE) Corpx 15:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Source 3 corroborates his interest to play a character, and 4 puts a name to it. I would say such an insignificant character would not be mentioned in a news article such as no. 4, but apparently the director and Yahoo News disagree on Scrimgeour's triviality. Auror 15:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-read the notability guidelines. Scrimgeour needs to have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial works. Bill Nighy's notability has already been established, but this article isn't about him. Natalie 15:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is too important and there is too much to say about him to merge this into the list of minor characters. Golfcam 17:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not a minor character, and there is too much to say about him anyway. SeanMD80^{talk | contribs} 16:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Minor Harry Potter characters Will ^(talk) 18:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not a minor character and has an important enough role. If his predecessor can have his own page than he can too. Article does need improved however...--Austinsimcox 19:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge into a new article based on Minor Ministry officials in Harry Potter which has been changed so as to incorporate ALL Ministry officials -Inventm 19:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep What exactly is the point of merging into one giant article, other than to make it harder to use Wikipedia? Abberley2 02:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or rewrite because all the other Ministers have articles and he plays a pivotal role in the last two books. The article should stay as SCRIMGEOUR IS NOT A MINOR CHARACTER Repmax 11:17 am, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Keep, notable character in the series. --musicpvm 19:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he is notable -Lemonflash ^talk 00:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, he plays a significant role in the final two books. McJeff 02:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to an appropriate "list of character..." page. All of these keep arguments are boil down to WP:ILIKEITs. I like HP as well, but the simple fact is that this character does not meet the fictional character guidelines. Tarc 12:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect per Tarc. The number of HP related article that do not meet fiction notability guidelines is getting out of control, and this is yet another of them. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 12:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Can't go for this one as a merger, since it is really too big to be inserted into the minor characters article, which would be its only other home. Sandpiper 20:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I came to Wikipedia to find information specifically on Rufus Scrimgeour, if it was added to the minor character list and only given a short blurb you will be making Wikipedia less useful.Mitchandre 04:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters. Nothing more then a minor character that couldn't pass the notability guidelines (WP:N or WP:FICT) on his own. --Farix (Talk) 14:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. This is a potentially confusing character, and it is helpful to have a summary about the 'facts' about this character, for reference purposes. Seems as if that is what an encyclopedia should be, a place to check facts.

A clarification, nobody here is proposing that the material be deleted. Only that, since Wikipedia articles for individual subjects generally require real-world impact, that this article be merged to a list of Harry Potter characters. The page will redirect to that list, so that when one types "Rufus Scrimgeour" into the box, it'll take you there. The content will still be available, it'll only be where it's available. --Eyrian 15:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Merge to Minor Harry Potter characters. While the original poster's statement about "the multiple sources of real-world coverage standard that Wikipedia holds so highly" is as believable as me believing in a Ministry of Magic, she has a point about this character. Write a paragraph, add a link to the Harry Potter Lexicon, what else do you need. Isn't there an article for Ministry of Magic officials anyway? Bcarlson33 16:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.