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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ruben Villareal[edit]

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Fails WP:NMMA. LlamaAl (talk) 22:13, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Keep - While he does fail WP:NMMA, he should pass WP:GNG with a few more sources. I'll try and add some over the next few days when I get the chance. "Warpath" is a very well-known fighter and more notable than a large portion of fighters that pass WP:NMMA. Luchuslu (talk) 23:37, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I added some sources for his more notable fights and his pro wrestling career. He fought twice for Japan's biggest pro wrestling organization and has two top-tier MMA bouts. While not part of WP:NMMA, it could easily be argued that the World Fighting Alliance could be included in the top-tier ranks. I feel the preponderance of the evidence shows he passes WP:GNG. Luchuslu (talk) 04:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how you would argue that the WFA is top tier when they held 4 events in 5 years and are not currently even considered second tier. I think you could make a better case for "not notable" than "top tier". Papaursa (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WFA: King of the Streets was one of the most stacked cards in MMA history with multiple former and future champions competing. The fact that Villareal was one of the fighters in that event should count toward his notability, if not for WP:NMMA then for WP:GNG.
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:27, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete He fails WP:NMMA and currently lacks the sources to pass WP:GNG. I'll reconsider if significant non-routine coverage is added.Mdtemp (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley 00:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Doesn't meet WP:NMMA and I don't think the fact that he had two wrestling bouts (where he went 1-1) adds to his notability. Papaursa (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per nom. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Doesn't pass WP:NMMA. GladiusHellfire (talk) 04:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Yes, we all realize Villareal does not pass the WP:NMMA, a guideline which is prefaced with "It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." I am arguing that he passes under the guideline WP:GNG. I have demonstrated numerous sourced which give him "more than a trivial mention," from secondary sources that do fact-check and are not blogs, that are independant of the subject. That should be enough for a keep. Luchuslu (talk) 17:27, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please just vote once. Those source look like WP:ROUTINE coverage to me.Mdtemp (talk) 19:06, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just a quick clarification, WP:ROUTINE is part of the event notability section. This does not fall under that guideline. In fact, the word "routine" does not appear in WP:BLP or WP:GNG. If you want to argue routine coverage, use WP:NOTNEWSPAPER where it has a brief mention. Luchuslu (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the correction. I'll try to remember that. However, WP:NOTNEWSPAPER makes the same point--"routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia."Mdtemp (talk) 19:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 00:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:NMMA, and the coverage seems too routine to allow him to pass WP:GNG. I'm not seeing any signficant coverage of him outside of MMA only sources. CaSJer (talk) 16:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep He may only have one top tier fight in Strikeforce but he also has a win over Don Frye as well as other big fights against Dan Severn, Ricco Rodriguez, Antonio Silva and Bas Rutten he may fail WP:NMMA but should pass WP:GNG if you include his pro wrestling career. Green Man 20 (talk) 18:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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