Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rin Nakai (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 10:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rin Nakai[edit]

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This article was deleted in a previous AfD, recreated, redeleted under G4, then brought to deletion review. The result of that review was to relist it at AfD for a clean discussion. My listing here is thus an administrative action; I have no opinion on the outcome. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete She has no top tier MMA fights so she doesn't meet WP:NMMA. Being highly ranked in judo in middle or high school does not meet the notability standards at WP:MANOTE, nor does her grappling record. Papaursa (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per above. Who you fight is actually immaterial - where you fight them is. No top tier fights. Does not meet WP:MMANOT.Peter Rehse (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete The vast majority of the references in this article are from one website, MMARising. In order to retain this article, one would need to add references from other reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of the subject. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 06:57, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As the article creator, I abide by the Wikipedia rules and will accept whatever consensus is reached here. I want to comment, however, about why there are more citations from MMARising than other sources. If there is a skew towards that website is because it's a reliable source in English and the English Wikipedia favors sources in this language over others when they are available. The majority of sources that give her in-depth coverage before her UFC signing are in Japanese, and, therefore, are mostly not included within the article.
On the notability of the subject, I will offer no voted opinion because, being the creator, I have a subjective perception, and I don't plan to add more sources or edit the article more than what I already did in the past to improve it. I was well aware that she may or may not meet the WP:MMANOT criteria depending on how the MMA promotion Valkyrie (where she became champion at the time the article was created) was cataloged (which wasn't or was top-tier for women's MMA, as it was one of only two WMMA promotions before it disappeared). With only English-language sources, I believe she meets the basic criteria of people, but not the basic criteria for athletes, unless one looks deeper into printed and TV media in Japan, which is not easily available even with the Internet. In any case, I see no problem if the article is deleted since there is a MMA wiki where the article can be moved without problems and if she ever meets the current criteria the article can easily be restored. Jfgslo (talk) 19:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that she has signed with the UFC although not fought yet. I could suggest you userfy the article and wait until she has had a couple of fights. If someone has a winning record in a top tier organization the article tends to be kept on the assumption that the chance of meeting WP:MMANOT will be met.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jfgslo (talk · contribs), would you provide a list of two to five Japanese reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Rin Nakai? For each, please provide the link (if the source is online), the publication's name, the translation of the source's name, and how much coverage the source devotes to Rin Nakai. Cunard (talk) 06:16, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I ask the reviewing admin to relist this discussion for another week to give Jfgslo time to provide links to sources that may establish notability. To avoid Wikipedia:Systemic bias, Japanese-language sources should be considered to determine if the subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline before concluding whether the article should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 06:16, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NMMA and coverage is routine sports reporting--results or upcoming fight announcements.Mdtemp (talk) 19:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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