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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Several opinions from either side were discounted for addressing only irrelevant issues or being a pure vote.  Sandstein  16:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rijeka terror attack[edit]

Rijeka terror attack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

This incident did hit the news, cf links on the talk page. But does this mean we should have an article on it? I think no - per WP:NOT#NEWS, mere news reports don't belong into the encyclopedia. I'm sending it to here (from PROD) since deletion seems to be controversial per this comment on my talk page. B. Wolterding (talk) 18:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and rewrite. Article is writen with my poor english but "incident" is important because it is clear evidence about connections of mujahideens during War in Bosnia and Herzegovina and al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya. I have asked user:DIREKTOR with better knowledge of english language and his knowledge about Balkan wars to enter this discussion.--Rjecina (talk) 18:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Less notable terrorist attacks were included on Wiki, I'd say Keep. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 18:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • That doesn't explain why this one is notable. --B. Wolterding (talk) 18:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, but this was a "genuine" car-bombing of a police headquarters by islamist terrorists. Huge casualties were avoided only by freak chance. Also, I do not see why precedents of lesser notability should be ignored. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 19:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. There are plenty of sources here, they just aren't listed in the footnotes. WP:BIAS also plays a role here, since attacks in small US cities have taken place and are duly noted, but an attack that took place in the third largest city in an European country doesn't generate as many English language sources and as many intersted editors on the English Wikipedia. Admiral Norton (talk) 19:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

:You are from same contruy like Rjecina and can not be taken as unbiased. Your country did massacre in Ahmici and destroyed old bridge of Mostar. The city is not third Osjek Zagreb and Split are far larger in your contry,l which is not EU country but Balkan country with unreliable local news. We can not trust write every article about trafic acident in some country, there are far more noteable events in Muslim world that are not for article not every news by every unreliable speculative newspaper is for article. HallalBosne (talk) 07:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC) This is writen by banned user:PaxEquilibrium (see block log). His 50 puppets are telling enough about his honesty,[reply]

The bias I was talking about is the lack of English-language sources for Croatia and Bosnia events, not conflict of interest, from which you accuse me to suffer in the context of the article we are discussing. Now, I don't see what conflict could I have as a Croat against Bosniaks, since the article doesn't accuse Bosniaks of anything. It simply presents information about an attack committed by Egyptian Muslim terrorists. The connection to Yugoslav wars is very much borderline here. Admiral Norton (talk) 13:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep - Needs a rewrite, but this is notable. Suggest closure.  Asenine  19:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete According to the author he wrote this "because it is clear evidence about connections of mujahideens during War in Bosnia and Herzegovina and al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya." Wikipedia is not place for speculation or any kind of political promotion, for instance you can write article about mujahideen in Zagreb and Split (the place of their gathering) and their Croatian passports as a "clear evidence about connections between Croatia and Mujahideen" before they came in Bosnia. It is well known that Bosnian government didn't control its borders with Croatia. Why Croatia let them enter in Bosnia? Historičar (talk) 19:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article needs a rewrite, but this is a question of notability of the attack itself. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 19:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rewrite, although I'm also suspicious of the motives of the author. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm withdrawing my vote because I'm unsure about the notability guidelines for this type of event. Cordless Larry (talk) 00:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • My only reason for writing is that I am from Rijeka. Comments about Bosnian War are only given like argument so that article can survive deletion discussion :)--Rjecina (talk) 20:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge content into Rijeka or Croatian War of Independence. That there are other articles on other terrorist attacks is irrelevant. To various comments above, I'd reply that we must bear in mind that WP:AADD and especially WP:OSE apply. BTW, it is also irrelevant that the article is badly written. That can be cleaned up if consensus is to keep. The question here is whether this incident is sufficiently notable to be worthy of an article on its own. In my view it is not. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Atempt to blame Bosniaks everything. Rjecina is from Croeshia, a country that made agression on sovereign BiH and is not objective user but edit warrior. This is a POV attack page with no basis in truth. Unreliable news story is not note worth, and link to Bosniaks not proven HallalBosne (talk) 06:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC), Vote of banned user:PaxEquilibrium is deleted. --Rjecina (talk) 14:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is not an attack page, but a page about a terrorist incident. Your dislike Croatia because of taking sides in the war is no reason at all to delete a page about an unrelated incident. Admiral Norton (talk) 11:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not many sources listed is no excuse to delete an article that passes WP:N. Admiral Norton (talk) 19:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Funny. User has declared that New York Times, CNN, Reuters are not reliable sources :)--Rjecina (talk) 14:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but possible rename to remove "terror" from the title (see WP:AVOID). While this article is not about an event of international significance , it is about an instance of international terrorism (an Egyptian group carrying out an attack in Croatia) and has significance in the context of Croatia. Merging into Rijeka (or elsewhere) may be a valid option, but it would be best discussed outside of AfD. Reliable sources covering the subject do exist ([1][2]); that they haven't yet been adequately incorporated into the article is no reason to delete the page. –Black Falcon (Talk) 05:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like the "terror" part either, as it isn't gramatically correct. See the article talk page for move suggestions. Admiral Norton (talk) 09:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is not about 70 kg of TNT used in the rockmine (and even that is too much for a mine to be used at once), but in the very center of the 3rd largest city in Croatia. How many such attacks ever happened in CE Europe and in that part of Mediterranean? Rijeka must thank to Our Lady of Trsat for having not a single dead person from this. Kubura (talk) 06:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the terrorist died. Admiral Norton (talk) 09:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, plus find and add some photos--TheFEARgod (Ч) 09:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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