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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right-wing political support for the 1973 Chilean coup[edit]

Right-wing political support for the 1973 Chilean coup (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Blatant copy and paste of 1973 Chilean coup d'état#crisis I don’t see why there should duplicate articles on the same matter. Please advice. Likeminas (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom - possible POV fork of coup article as above.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Already in the main article. Content fork. Resolute 19:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Completely unsourced. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This article at present does not even talk about the subject in the title,but just one small aspect of it. I cannot easily see how to sufficiently distinguish the subject of the article enough from the general topic to write a proper expanded article, but perhaps someone can. This is not a useful start. DGG (talk) 20:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC) see below DGG (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no reason to fork this off the main article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Article has been substantially expanded, and is no longer a clone of the above-mentioned section, but I still don't see that there's justification for a separate article here.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article is now much more focused, does talk about the subject of the title, has a start of sourcing, and now seems like a good detailed expansion of important historical events. It meets my previous objections. Yes, I was asked to have another look. DGG (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since I started this AfD I don't know whether I'm supposed to vote or not, so I'll just add a brief comment.
While the article has been expanded (with no sources so far) I still don't see how it merits to be an article on its own and it is not better suited in the overall context of the 1973 Chilean coup d'état. Allowing forks like this one is a slippery slope. What if somebody was to create other politically loaded forks such as Allegations of unconstitutional ruling by decree during the presidency of Salvador Allende?
Certainly that "article" might be rightly called Forking and POV as it would be better suited as a section of Chile under Allende than by itself.
The same goes for Right-wing political support for the 1973 Chilean coup.
It does not merit to be an article by itself.
Likeminas (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your nomination is taken as a not-vote to delete, unless you state that it's a procedural nomination. If you want to make it explicit, you can say "Delete as nominator" or put the "Delete" in bold somewhere in your nomination. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see thanks for the clarification.
Since you're an Admin, I'd like to ask you something.
Today I was reading WP:DPR#AFD and it says that the AfD should be closed after 7 days. I nominated this article on 06/17/09 so today is the 7th day.
So far I see a pretty strong consensus for deleting this article as the voting count stands 7 (delete or merge back) to 2 (keep).
So my question is; When and who will close this discussion and take appropiate action regarding the article?
Thanks
Likeminas (talk) 16:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I could close the discussion, but that would be frowned on, since I've already !voted in it. I expect someone will get to it soon. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment_______________________________________________________

This article focused on the political events leading up to the coup which hadn’t been dealt with in focus in other pages. Evidence of this is the fact that in English Wikipedia there is no page or entry on the Confederation for Democracy (CODE). Nor is there a page on the XLVII Legislative Period of the Chilean National Congress (1973). As I stated in the discussion of this page, presenting these “resolutions” or “declarations” in a political vacuum or in disassociation with the scheme of the CODE that lead the Chilean right (1973) to acquire control of the Chile’s National Congress with a simple majority is in itself an “Allegations of unconstitutional ruling by decree during the presidency of Salvador Allende?” To present these resolutions as a counterbalance to Allende’s speeches that denounce them also constitute an “allegation of unconstitutional ruling by decree during the presidency of Salvador Allende? Because it gives both the unconstitutional declaration and what Allende had to say as President equal legitimacy. The page specifically focused on an attempt to put forward “Allegations of unconstitutional ruling by decree during the presidency of Salvador Allende.”

On the only grounds that the pages content could have been challenged is that it presented the “political-right” in a rather good light given that the article distinguishes the political right in 1973 as a separate entity from the Pinochet regime. Many would argue that the dictatorship was the continuation of the rule of the Chilean right by other means.

But this page was not about political ideologies nor about social theories but rather it was a simple attempt to compile and format material and information already on the public record in a manner that clarifies to the reader the outcome of a political development: in this case being that of Chile in 1973.

The fact that this page will be deleted on the advice of an editor who proved in his comments that he didn't understand that the terms “left and right” in politics are not concrete but relative to a given political event or development. Who, moreover, kept changing the posts of his reasoning from allegations of “bias”, to “copy and paste”, to “forking” and now to “lack of sources” turns the whole nature of the project on its head.

In regards to sources:

  • The scheme of CODE is political history documented in various media.
  • The congressional boycott of Allende is there in the XLVII Legislative Period of the Chilean National Congress (1973).
  • The Chamber of deputies "declarations" are on Wikisource (they were made 3 weeks before the coup).
  • The coup is already in the project.
  • The speeches delivered by the 2 generals, the admiral and the police chief have been published.

Another final point is that this - wikipedia - project claims to be collaborative and if the page under scrutiny contained no libellous or illegal content why do did the editors demand that the page be completed by the person that started the page. This page was a start it was far from completed, it had one editor.

Albeit, the debate was rather boring; devoid of any substance. Regards__Moshe-paz (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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