Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Anstiss

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The result was delete. Although this topic indeed veers rather close to notability, there is a consensus that it does not come within the bounds of WP:ATHLETE. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Anstiss

Non-notable footballer who has never played in a fully professional league or in a cup competition for a fully professional club, thus failing WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 10:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 10:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, he plays for Leamington F.C., a non-league club. Fails WP:ATHLETE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ReviewDude (talk • contribs) 11:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Nothing more to be said. Bettia (rawr!) 11:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. -- Alexf^(talk) 12:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination, fails basically WP:ATHLETE. abf /talk to me/ 13:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 16:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He played in the UEFA Cup while with Aberystwyth. As for referring to who he plays for now, Julian Joachim plays for Kings Lynn nowadays and if you only consider current situations then you'd have him as non-notable as well.WikiGull (talk) 16:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that he played in the UEFA Cup is irrelevant - he was not playing for a fully professional club at the time. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - If that club was not fully professional, then how could it possibly have ended up in the UEFA Cup? - Mgm|^(talk) 22:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Because in some countries there are no fully professional clubs - e.g. Faroe Islands, Andorra, Wales (the Welsh League anyway), Northern Ireland etc. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 23:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tending towards keep While I'm not that familiar with European football, it seems that such a high competition as the UEFA Cup, if it's open to non-fully-professional clubs, could qualify him under the criteria for those who aren't professionals: amateur sportspersons who compete at the highest level of amateur sport are considered notable by WP:BIO. This is, of course, assuming that the Champions League is not open to amateur clubs... If we say that he doesn't qualify as a professional, isn't it reasonable to say that he counts under the criteron for those who are not professionals? Nyttend (talk) 03:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But he isn't competing at the highest level possible - he could have played for other Welsh clubs such as Cardiff or Swansea (or indeed, as he is English, English clubs) who do compete in a fully professional league. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 09:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "assuming that the Champions League is not open to amateur clubs....." - actually it is, as clubs from all the aforementioned countries in which there are no professional clubs compete in it...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply You say Champions League, thats the wrong comp, he played in the UEFA Cup! Considering that is classed as European football even at the qualifying round level I am inclined to go with Keep and considering that is a top level competition he should pass WP:Athlete on that note. Govvy (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But he doesn't - WP:ATHLETE says nothing about European competitions. And anyway, playing for a minor semi-pro club in the qualifying rounds is really nothing to get excited about. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 22:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aberystwyth Town F.C. is playing in the Welsh Premier League. He has played top level football in Wales. A semi-professional club where he has won honours with that club and proceeded into European competition. I'd say as this is the highest level in Armature Welsh football you can get I would give him the honour of passing WP:Athlete. Govvy (talk) 01:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So what if it is the highest amateur (sic - it's semi professional) level - there are professional levels above! Using your argument Conference players would be notable. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 11:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Played in top level of football in Wales. UEFA Cup appearances. FA Cup appearances. Hundreds of media references. Seems notable enough. Nfitz (talk) 05:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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