Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regan Hartley

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The result was keep. Meets WP:N Wily D 07:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regan Hartley

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I haven't been able to find significant coverage of Ms. Hartley in independent reliable sources. The references that are currently on her Wikipedia page certainly don't establish notability. A web search brings up lots of social networking hits, and a few local news reports. The Las Vegas Sun piece is not significant coverage, it merely mentions her in passing. There are no news hits, and I didn't even bother searching scholar, books, etc.. I am fairly certain that given the nature of her accomplishments there is nothing out there in non-internet print media that would establish notability. Fails WP:GNG, WP:PEOPLE and WP:MODEL. MisterUnit (talk) 23:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Major competitor in a nationally-televised talent competition with 90+ years of history. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Being on TV does not automatically make a person notable. By the criteria you made up above, every competitor in the World Series of Beer Pong would meet notability guidelines. You should familiarize yourself with the above mentioned guidelines - WP:GNG, WP:PEOPLE, and WP:MODEL before !voting. Keep !votes should point to significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. MisterUnit (talk) 21:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Miss America pageant has been held annually since 1921. The World Series of Beer Pong did not exist until 2006. If you can't see the difference between them, then there's really no point to having any further discussion. Any competitor in the Miss America or Miss USA pageants easily meets WP:GNG (See the article on her from Foster's Daily Democrat, a daily newspaper in Dover, New Hampshire). Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well I think you get the point I'm making. It doesn't matter how long the competitions have been around, and just because you say that every competitor in Miss America and Miss USA meets GNG doesn't mean that it's true. One article in a local newspaper also doesn't make a person notable. MisterUnit (talk) 01:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Examining the various state pages, all holders of any state championship in the pageant is apparently considered notable here. We have articles on essentially all of them in the last 4 or 5 years, regardless of whether they have done anything significant before or since. Our earlier coverage is spotty, as usual for WP in any subject--presumably it's just a matter of editor interest not yet catching up, just as with state legislators. Obviously New Hampshire has fewer newspapers than some states, but a Google news search shows at least a dozen articles: about half for her award, and half for earlier years when she was a runner-up. (Merrimack Journal, NashuaTelegraph, Manchester Union-leader, Seacoastonline) There's a purpose to WP:BEFORE--the most superficial search would have found these.

It's a separate question whether these state winners ought to be notable. It's an exception to our usual rule that only national winners (and perhaps the top runners-up for a major contest) are notable . Quite possibly it's a warranted exception, as this is the prototypical franchise of its sort, and probably the best known internationally. It doesn't particularly interest me, but what of it? We don't strictly follow precedent, but it would be really weird beyond our usual to leave out one of the state winners in particular--if it's proposed to delete them all, I think it would need an RfC. A poorly attended AfD like this should not be making such a consensus or justifying an exception to it. (incidentally, just to anticipate, it's not BLP 1E -- there are two events -- her winning the state title, and her consequent appearance in the national pageant.) DGG ( talk ) 03:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Meets WP:GNG. Significant coverage: [1], [2] and search the following at http://www.unionleader.com/section/SERVICES04 :(i) Miss NH bows out early at Miss America contest, (ii) Miss NH named finalist in service competition, (iii) Once bullied and beaten, Miss NH continues to rise, (iv) When she heard that a 15-year-old Irish girl in South Hadley, Mass. A first mention of her is in the May 3, 2009 New Hampshire Union Leade article "Royal beauties gather for Miss New Hampshire pageant ": "The other eight finalists were: ... Miss Kearsarge Valley Regan Hartley, of Dover, who sang "At Last." Some other mentions in news articles include: [3]. A last article is from May 8, 2012.[4]. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 05:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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