Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rawat caste

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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rawat caste

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Unsourced phrase describing a caste or something different Xx236 (talk) 08:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While a caste/social group called Rawat exists, this article's content has never come close to describing that social group accurately (the latest version claiming that the group is a "confederation" of "ruling Rajput"), and has always lacked solid sources. Wikipedia:Blow it up and start over applies here. utcursch | talk 15:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 18:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:09, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The job of TNT has already been done, and as of now the article is a single line stub. So, we should decide whether this topic meets GNG or not. That will also take care of the future recreations of this page. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I have checked some online sources regarding the Rawat. It is variously described as a caste, clan, community, title, etc. This source has details of the Meherats, a Muslim Rajput community, reconverted Hindu members of which are known as 'Rawat Rajputs'. This article is also giving details of that community. This source labels Rawats as "make-believe Rajputs". Indeed, journals published by the University of Jodhpur – [1] & [2] – list Rawats separately from the Rajputs. Rawat is also a clan of Jats – [3], [4], [5], [6], etc.

The State series of the People of India (by Kumar Suresh Singh) contains good amount of details about the Rawats, e.g. [7], [8], [9], etc. Having said that, if I remember a comment by Sitush correctly, these State series are considered unreliable on this project. The topic is also covered in the National series of the same author – [10] – which was published by the OUP, but I am not sure regarding its reliability.

All in all, if we don't count both the State series and the National Series of the People of India (by K. S. Singh), then the subject might not meet the WP:GNG. Anyway, I will !vote after consulting regarding the reliability of the People of India series. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The "national" series, published by OUP, is reliable; the "states" series, which was published by umpteen outfits and plagiarised the Raj era sources, is not. - Sitush (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:22, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday while mentioning Meherats, I didn't know that we already have an article about them at Merat, which is their common name. In fact, per academic sources, Rawat, Merat, Chita, & Kathat communities are actually a single group known as Mer (or Mair) – [11], [12], [13], etc. And we have articles about Mers (or Mairs) as well: Mers people & Mair caste, both of which are poorly sourced & in bad condition, just like Merat. I guess we should give details of Rawats (the Rajasthani ones), Merat, Chita, & Kathat at the Mers people, or at the Mair caste, or under some similar appropriate title, after which we should redirect the remaining relevant titles to that page.

As far as Rawat caste as a separate article is concerned, the page seems important for the clarification of all the confusing details regarding the multiple, seemingly unrelated groups which use this title, but it's hard for me to comment on its notability, as I've access to only snippet views of the sources. So I leave it to those who have access to the relevant sources, along with having knowledge of this topic. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:19, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:42, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, i was initially going to suggest a merge to Merat but they appear to be a larger group who live over a number of states see here and here (i know these sources are not reliable but they show the problems that these sort of articles are facing). Coolabahapple (talk) 07:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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