Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ralph Peña
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. ✗plicit 04:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Ralph Peña[edit]
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Since the two names on this recently-created (on 8 December 2023) disambiguation page are not exactly the same, the dab page main title header does not accurately reflect either one of those two names. Once this dab page is deleted, a hatnote atop Ralph Pena (musician) can point to Ralph B. Peña. No need for a hatnote atop Ralph B. Peña since users searching for his entry can simply type Ralph B. Peña or Ralph B. Pena to access him directly. Moreover, since the two surnames are not exactly alike, the header of the musician's entry can dispense with the parenthetical qualifier "(musician)" and appear as simply Ralph Pena, otherwise Ralph Pena would be an unnecessary redirect to Ralph Pena (musician). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. From the article, Ralph Pena (musician)'s actual name seems to be spelled with the tilde, and the sources spell it the same way. Shouldn't his article be titled with the tilde as well? Unsure how that would affect this discussion though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The musician was an American, born in Nevada. A photograph of his gravestone, with the family name, inscribed without any diacritics, can be seen here. Furthermore, as confirmed by the covers of all of his numerous recordings, nowhere is his name rendered with a diacritic. As for the two sources listed at the bottom of his Wikipedia entry, neither AllMusic nor The New Grove Dictionary of Jazz. 2nd edition, add a diacritic to his name. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- From what I can see the The New Grove Dictionary of Jazz (or at least the citation) does. Several of the covers of the albums he featured in do have the diacritic (see discogs [1 2 3). His (seemingly official) Facebook page does. So I guess it's more complicated than that but he sometimes did use the diacritic. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Apparently, at least three album covers do use a diacritic to depict his name. Among the five album covers seen here at Discogs, only one (Impossible) has a diacritic on the cover. While he died 35 years before Facebook's 2004 founding, his "official" Facebook fan / memorial page does depict his name with a diacritic, although the album cover chosen to appear near the top of that Facebook page has no diacritic. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- From what I can see the The New Grove Dictionary of Jazz (or at least the citation) does. Several of the covers of the albums he featured in do have the diacritic (see discogs [1 2 3). His (seemingly official) Facebook page does. So I guess it's more complicated than that but he sometimes did use the diacritic. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The musician was an American, born in Nevada. A photograph of his gravestone, with the family name, inscribed without any diacritics, can be seen here. Furthermore, as confirmed by the covers of all of his numerous recordings, nowhere is his name rendered with a diacritic. As for the two sources listed at the bottom of his Wikipedia entry, neither AllMusic nor The New Grove Dictionary of Jazz. 2nd edition, add a diacritic to his name. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Disambiguations. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per WP:DABCOMBINE, spellings that differ only in diacritics are listed together. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per LaundryPizza03. The names are functionally ambiguous. BD2412 T 12:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this is what dabs are for, when people aren't 100% sure of the spelling/diacritics etc. Will be useful. Boleyn (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.