Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajinder Singh (brigadier)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DTM (talk) 05:03, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rajinder Singh (brigadier)[edit]

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After having worked on this article recently and brought it to the current state it is in, I am having serious doubts about the notability of the person in question from a Wikipedia perspective. Yes, the event that he was part of was notable, so he can be mentioned there - Indo-Pakistani War of 1947–1948, or as a commander in the JK State forces/rifles article - Jammu and Kashmir Rifles, but as separate article, I am not so sure.
As per WP:1E, as everything seems to be about the MVC action, and there doesn't seem to be "significant coverage" of his whole life in reliable sources, 26 years of his life and all of his army career except four days - this article has very little basis to stay if Wikipedia guidelines are appropriately adhered to. DTM (talk) 10:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (cross-posting from WT:INDIA) I think this is too notable. 1E is for stuff like Prakriti Malla. This brigadier (pass of WP:NSOLDIER right there, btw) played a major role in a major world event. Saved a whole state for a country rather than the other, ensuring a conflict that's lasted to today? Has a postal stamp with his face? Has a village named after him, and schools (more than one Wikipedia notable entities)? Won second highest honour (ANYBIO), and has since received sustained coverage in multiple independent reliable sources (GNG) about his deeds and whether he should have been awarded the highest military award his country has to offer? As I said, too notable. Compare this with the articles we keep on internet influencers and domestic footballers. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:16, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is exactly what I am talking about; everything about him is only related to 4 days in 1947; and not of his life as a whole. There are just too many large gaps about his life. His entire army life (except 4 days) is missing as well as his early life. We might as well called the article Rajinder Singh in October 1947.DTM (talk) 11:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure the information is somewhere, in the personnel archives of the organisation he worked for, for example. Missing details, which is true of most historical figures, isn't enough reason to delete even if it is completely missing, IMO. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think WP:1E does not apply per its second paragraph. While there is not much information about his earlier life, there is enaugh of a legacy related to the person, so there is an enduring coverage. Having a postage stamp certainly indicates notability. Agathoclea (talk) 11:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Though the reason for the notability is clearly the one event during the war, there appears to be plenty of related coverage that has continued over the years. Definitely notable and I'd actually go for speedy keep on this one. --RegentsPark (comment) 12:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:BLP1E always needs to be applied with common sense; interpreting it literally when the events themselves are very significant doesn't make sense. There is substantive coverage of this individual in several dozen sources, as even a quick google books search reveals. If you feel the need to establish firm consensus on this, DiplomatTesterMan, feel free to let it run, but as I write this you still have the option of withdrawing this and closing as "speedy keep", because no one else has supported deletion. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:53, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep on the basis of his crucial involvement in a seminal event in the founding of India and the lasting legacy indicated by the stamp (he's marginal for WP:SOLDIER, BTW), but there is no way this article will even get to B-Class on the basis of the material in the article at this point, 27 years of his life are completely missing, and the usual sources for such information on highly decorated Indian soldiers are mute on that period of his life. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep per #4 of WP:SOLDIER, though as noted above everything on this page seems to be based on that one event. Mztourist (talk) 04:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A notable personality in India. Recipient of Maha Vir Chakra, a notable award given to Military officers. His contribution to "Indo-Pakistani War of 1947–1948" can't be forgotten. Priyanjali singh (talk) 16:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Clearly notable as a brigadier per WP:SOLDIER. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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