Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pyong (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 21:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pyong[edit]

Okay, I admit I sort of started this... The page's creator was mad that the page had gotten deleted, and told me that he or she was about to add sources to the page when it was nuked. I assumed good faith, and suggested that he or she re-create the page. However, the sources in this revision are all DeviantART and blogs, and therefore this page's subject fails WP:RS. Suggesting a salt this time. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Insufficiently sourced. Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, non-notable. hateless 19:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:NFT. Æe tlr Cre ejl 20:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, it's been speedied, it's gone to AfD, the AfD was closed prematurely due to the speedying (I started the original AfD). The creator has yet to provide any information that this emoticon is notable. Corvus cornix_talk 20:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and replace with a disambiguation page to Kim Pyong-il, Pyongyang, Won Pyong Oh, etc. Pburka (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just because you may have not heard of Pyong yourself, does not mean that it is not notable or not worth mentioning. Many people search after this information, and when people like you guys take it down, how are people supposed to find such things? The point of Wikipedia is to inform people, and give information. That is exactly what I am trying to do, I just want to inform people about the subject, and everyone else is acting like I am posting a page of random keystrokes.

If something from another culture it does not make it wrong. And if it is not familiar around you does not make it any less. Pyong is also from Portugal, but I think Americans should have to right to know about it too.

This is the only page I have ever added to wikipedia because I felt it was something very notable that Wikipedia lacked.

Just because something has originated on the internet and not from a book does not mean it is not valid.

I cannot understand why you are so against the addition of Pyong, I just want people to be informed. I am trying to help, while everyone else is trying to disable others access to information. If you cannot understand a language it does not make it a non-valid source. That borders on racism if you are going to devalue something based on it's culture.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomoya-kun (talk • contribs) 21:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm tired of trying to argue this, everyone seems to be power hungry and trying to exert authority over something for no reason. If you think the content of the page is not full yet, that is the point of Wikipedia, people who know more will come along and add their intelligence as well. But they cannot do this if no page exists. Do what you want with the page, but think who are you actually helping? All you are doing is depriving people of information, and maybe feeding your ego, but nothing more. Good bye. Tomoya-kun (talk) 22:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Well actually, others can. They can simply start a page themselves, perhaps with legitimate, verifiable sources as opposed to what you've given us. Please spare us the cries of racism and other garbage. If you insist on behaving in this manner, you don't belong here. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Actually here in Italy many people use this emoticon on msn and not only, I have seen on my university people having stickers of that red fox and pins... That drawing seems to be well known in the japanmania subculture inItaly. Thus, being that fox so popular and recognisable, I believe the page shoud be kept but majorly revamped and cleaned-upZisimos (talk) 00:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and salt as non-notable and without reliable sources, and good riddance to Tomoya-kun — who, by the way, is an WP:SPA. Boy, that's a surprise. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is wrong with trying to inform people? You act like I killed someone. Wikipedia already has everything I have searched before this, which is why I added it, because it seemed to me something it needed. I added under construction because it is not finished yet, and it says you are to allow a few days before requesting for deletion. I have been given barley anytimeTomoya-kun (talk) 22:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be missing the part about notability. Just saying something's notable doesn't make it so. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and a recommendation to Tomoya-kun to keep your ego under control and if you say you are going to leave, please leave. JuJube (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- JuJube, be civil and don't bite the newbies.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 21:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I went and did research on the type of articles that Wikipedia will allow, is it possible to keep this article as a stub? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub Because according to everyone it is short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information. Tomoya-kun (talk) 23:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are two policies that are at the issue here: WP:N and WP:RS. The first one states that articles in the encyclopedia must show notability by being covered in reliable sources. The second policy states what these reliable sources are. None of the links on the page can be considered a reliable source. The bottom line is you haven't proved that Pyong is notable, or important enough, to be included into Wikipedia, and everything we've seen points to Pyong not being close to being notable. hateless 23:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you guys are right. Just delete it then. But is there then another site I can post this information for people to find? Tomoya-kun (talk) 00:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No need to be sarcastic, we're just trying to keep a high standard here in wikipedia. The article need some major cleaning up for syntax and spelling but could be kept according to my opinion Zisimos (talk) 01:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please explain what reliable sources have been provided that would cause this article to be kept. Corvus cornix_talk 02:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everything2.com is what you're looking for. They're similar to Wikipedia except they accept anything. hateless 10:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Southkoreanfuncraft --Cloudir sky (talk) 12:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.