Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professor Vollans

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 15:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Professor Vollans

Very dubious accuracy. Google does not acknowledge the professor in question, the two universities listed do not exist, there are no references or citations. Ollie 04:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Given the assertions of wide fame in article, and zero google hits, a likely hoax.--Fuhghettaboutit 04:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom as this appears to be a hoax. Gwernol 04:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete No hits on Yahoo! for "Paul Vollans" and "University of Brighouse". [1]. Appears to be a hoax. --Ataricodfish 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. DarthVad e r 10:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a hoax - per nom (and googling to confirm) - Politepunk 10:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of references indicate its a hoax. --Srik e it^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 11:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above. ProhibitOnions 11:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete info seems to be false, per nom. Mango juice^talk 12:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete appears to be false. Ted 18:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As a student of said Paul Vollans, I can confirm that he is not a hoax, and nor is this article. The "University" is a mistake, he actually teaches currently at Brighouse Sixth Form, where I see the liklihood of him retiring, atleast from the teaching profession. His past credits include being a top ranking police officer, involved in cases such as the Moors murders (but I wouldn't put it past half of you to believe that that itself is a "hoax" or "conspiracy", wanting to put the "man" down). Either way, Mr. V is a real person. This article is legit (except for the mistake of University instead of Sixth Form College. Deleting it because of the views of a few sophomoric people would be idiotic.. Zys 21:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As one of the sophomoric people who voted delete above, could you please supply a website or publication which verifies the information in the article? Per WP:V, an article has to be verifiable. Even if the article is true, we need something to verify the article. Show me evidence of verifiability, and I'll reconsider my vote. Otherwise, my sophomoric delete remains. --Ataricodfish 22:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Professor, top-ranking police officer, one of Britain's finest law theorists and academic celebrity? Is the University of Sevenoaks also a 6th Form? Even if the man exists, i remain unconvinced of the factual accuracy of the article. I will, of course, reconsider if verification is provided! Ollie 04:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://proxy:81/6thformweb/Law/Documents/Module%201%20Statutory%20Interpretation%20&%20Judicial%20Precedent.doc

Comment The above link is located on the school intranet and will not work from the outside. However I've supplied a screenshot that shows Mr. Vollans notes on part of the law used to teach first year sixth formers. The picture is not faked or doctored in any way (because I'm not that bothered about the whole thing to take the time), and I would include the whole article at request, however I'm not going to due to the fact the notes should stay within respected students possession. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/iamstewart/LOLOLOLOLOL.jpg

Comment. The context of this debate started out with suspicion of a hoax based on fictitions university names and unverified assertions of fame which would lead one to think that the professor, if as noted as stated in the article, would at least have one mention on the billions of pages indexed by google. I now think this person may very well be a real person. However, this does little to address the underlying verifiability and notability issues. Even if he is a real professor, is he really "considered to be one of Britain's finest law theorists" who often consults with the House of Lords? Who and how many consider him to be so and how does this translate to wider fame? Does he have any publications? Newpaper/magazine write ups. Yes we started with the question of whether this was a hoax, but the same problems that led to that conclusion, still lead me, at least, to believe this person is not notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Please address the underlying verifiability of the claims and substantiation of his fame. The hoax issue is not the relevant inquiry to meet wikipedia's inclusion criteria.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May I remind you that Google does not provide the answer to everything. However, I do appreciate your concern in relation to the professor's academic success. Unfortunately, I do not feel I can provide further citation for the time being.217.33.207.195 14:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are missing the point. I am not implying google "answer's everything." It was a tool used to attempt to substantiate an article with no sources. Now that you have added some substantiation that he is a real person, you or anyone else who wants the article to remain must substantiate the assertions contained therein. The burden is not on us to find those for you. --Fuhghettaboutit 15:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator, this has gotta go. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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